I do believe I`m being mocked...

He did make a point that I can relate to regarding Feynlab being the closest to Zaino; when I used the Feynlab Ceramic + TopCoat a few weeks ago, it has one of the most `brilliant` shines of the products I have used, not too deep but bright and brilliant for sure. It *is* the closest to the Zaino look from what I remember. Downside is the product smells like a toilet mint but if`n ya can get by that, neat stuff (Feynlab).

Regardless, if I had a car of limited usage (as OP in that thread does) I`d likely just drop Pinnacle Souveran paste on it and call it a day if I did not want to bother with coating.
 
He actually seems like a pretty knowledgeable guy. I don’t think he was trying to be malicious either. From other posts, I gather he uses primarily Zaino in his business.

Were you around over there when Wolfdogs(ken) still frequented? I swore he was Sal Zaino himself. He got me hooked on it after seeing his black GTO on the GTO forum with a bazillion coats. Then later the Vette forum. I lost count after 28 on my GTO.
 
SgtMajUSMC said:
He actually seems like a pretty knowledgeable guy. I don’t think he was trying to be malicious either. From other posts, I gather he uses primarily Zaino in his business.
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Nah, not malicious...just healthy discourse. I just found the word choice to be entertaining because, well, I can be a bit wordy. There was some residual effect from a previous claim that appearance was in no way subjective, but rather an easily quantifiable and concrete concept and prefacing his assertions with "I am a high end detailer in Silicon Valley area where there are more expensive cars per capita than any area of the country" (or some such phrasing) to substantiate his perception that *nothing* looks better than the Z-stuff, without allowing for the possibility that it might not look better *to me*.

SgtMajUSMC said:
Were you around over there when Wolfdogs(ken) still frequented? I swore he was Sal Zaino himself. He got me hooked on it after seeing his black GTO on the GTO forum with a bazillion coats. Then later the Vette forum. I lost count after 28 on my GTO.
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I do remember him (Wolfdog) but mostly from the Off-Topic section which I used to find extraordinarily entertaining about 8-9 years ago, back when there was lengthy discussions regarding airplanes on conveyor belts and Lea Thompson plugging the forum. I also recall when England Green was one of the first to apply Zaino with a DA and EvilTwin with his wheels/rotors that he spent countless hours polishing (and they looked beyond incredible).

I never made it beyond 5 coats of Zaino in a season and I do miss the days where ordering the $125 `Complete Show Car Kit` every Spring seemed horribly extravagant.
 
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BudgetPlan1 said:
N..There was some residual effect from a previous claim that appearance was in no way subjective, but rather an easily quantifiable and concrete concept..
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Anybody who disregards the subjective factors in a vehicle`s appearance is missing the point of the whole LSP Appearance thing. And his argument (..."I am a high end detailer in Silicon Valley area where there are more expensive cars per capita than any area of the country" ...) for why his opinion is valid is simply laughable. I know middle schoolers who`d call him out on that.
 
It is hard to take anyone seriously who claims there is a best LSP, even less so when they say it is Zaino. I drank the Zaino-aid for probably a decade. I do love the look of it on silver and some metallics. Also looks pretty good on white. The funny thing is, if you play around with LSPs, you can almost always find a better looking LSP for a particular application.

The other issue is the horrific protection Zaino provides. In my experience in the Mid-Atlantic, you are really better off without anything on your paint. Zaino makes bird bombs, acid rain, and hard water etchings worse than unprotected paint.
 
SgtMajUSMC said:
He actually seems like a pretty knowledgeable guy. I don’t think he was trying to be malicious either. From other posts, I gather he uses primarily Zaino in his business.

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He`s pretty much very impressed with himself....

He always gives his "advice" when I ask ?`s like should I do more for this or that show.........
 
Dan said:
It is hard to take anyone seriously who claims there is a best LSP, even less so when they say it is Zaino. I drank the Zaino-aid for probably a decade. I do love the look of it on silver and some metallics. Also looks pretty good on white. The funny thing is, if you play around with LSPs, you can almost always find a better looking LSP for a particular application.

The other issue is the horrific protection Zaino provides. In my experience in the Mid-Atlantic, you are really better off without anything on your paint. Zaino makes bird bombs, acid rain, and hard water etchings worse than unprotected paint.
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I don’t believe that.
 
BudgetPlan1 said:
I was looking into the old Zaino discussions, ran across one thread somewhere and it discussed people driving around NJ looking for the Z factory, if the building at one place looked like a production or office HQ...brand sure does inspire passion on both sides.
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no. I lived a few miles away. It was only a PO Box in Howell, NJ. I think he sold it out of his home or from an address that he did not disclose.
 
Keep doing what you do BudgetMan. You are very thorough but you also keep it fun. For a lot of us this is a passionate hobby. Hobbyies are supposed to be fun.
 
dudley07726 said:
no. I lived a few miles away. It was only a PO Box in Howell, NJ. I think he sold it out of his home or from an address that he did not disclose.
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I do remember vaguely talking to him (Sal) on the phone and others saying they did. This has been darn near 20 years ago

But did anyone ever meet this man ? Surely he had to have been at car shows and stuff like that at least back in the late 90s when it started being big

Zaino looks good. Still does IMO. I don’t recall any protection problems worse or better than anything else in my area

I like what you have done Kurt. People are always going to be jealous and have to speak up to try to make it seem like they or their ideas are better just cause you are stealing some light from them in their mind



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Same place.

Guy asks if compound and MF polishing pad is needed to remove coating.

First response, “try a heavy Dawn soap scrub”.
 
dudley07726 said:
You’re welcome. I’ve used the stuff for 20 years with no problems.
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Great for you. A simple search for zaino and etching will turn up posts on just about every auto forum. Just because you didn`t have problems with it doesn`t mean it is flawless for everyone. Furthermore discounting others experience just serves to make you look like a zaino zealot.
 
Dan said:
Great for you. A simple search for zaino and etching will turn up posts on just about every auto forum. Just because you didn`t have problems with it doesn`t mean it is flawless for everyone. Furthermore discounting others experience just serves to make you look like a zaino zealot.
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Not discounting your experience. My rebuttal is against your claim of being better off with no protection than having Zaino. A simple search of anything will always turn up a different opinion from yours. Even something that you consider the best product in the world. Not a zealot about anything such as this.
 
Can we all remember when Zaino Z2, Z5 was one of the best coatings 20 years ago ? I cant remember anything else on the market like it..

I was fascinated that it required the addition of the catalyst ZFX to make it work better and last longer - but - you could still only apply 3 coats per 24 hour period I believe...

I used so much of it on everyone`s cars, I had to go buy a bag of 1/2 ounce plastic flip-top bottles so I could just mix about half that much and not have to worry about what to do with it if I had any left over... I still have a lot of those new plastic bottles left over..

Remember calling Sal Zaino back then, and asking him if he would please sell me the Z9 Leather Soft Cleaner and the Z10 Leather In A Bottle Conditioner in larger quantities, and he gave me his best, gruff, "No" and that was the end of the conversation.. Definitely a man of few words.. :)

And after all those decades, I still like Z9 and Z10 for some leather interior work..

Just did a 2003 BMW 540iT (actually a 4.6 custom motor) with the full M5 Interior, quad pipes, etc., and the Leather came out beautifully after being cleaned with Z9 that was brushed in and then Steamed out with a white towel.. An amazing amount of dark dirt gunk came out with no hard wiping or scrubbing; just place the triangular brush with white towel on it and turn on the steam...

Owner wanted the Z10 and it really made that `03 vintage, dry, getting a little stiff, black leather really soft and great smelling... I had him smell the choices I had - Leather Masters, Spinneybeck, Einszett, and Zaino and he picked the Zaino..
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I still have a bottle of Zaino tire dressing in a milk crate on the shelf in my garage. Was my preferred dressing until I started using WETS not too long ago. I also still get emails from them.
 
SgtMajUSMC said:
I still have a bottle of Zaino tire dressing in a milk crate on the shelf in my garage. Was my preferred dressing until I started using WETS not too long ago. I also still get emails from them.
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How ironical you should mention Zaino email or did you get one this morning as well?

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I used the Z tire dressing for years too. Boy, that stuff really gets into the tire; when I was cleaning tires prior to applying TuffShine to them 2 years ago, it took about 15 `spray, scrub, rinse` cycles to get all the years of Z tire dressing off of the Michelins.
 
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