I am thinking of buying Zymol Vintage Glaze

[Bert]

so I just keep toying with the idea instead of actually buying the stuff.

Just keep in mind, the longer you toy with it (ie the older you get), the less that lifetime free refills adds benefit.

 

[Todd@RUPES]

Just keep in mind, the longer you toy with it (ie the older you get), the less that lifetime free refills adds benefit.

Any the more the price goes up (400 dollars in a year, lol)....



Also, I have been told by a very reputable forumlator that Vintage is loaded to the gills (his words) with silicone, which might make cleaning it easier?



I know in Florida, it isn't any easier to clean, and attracts quite a bit of dirt. For everybody who finds it easier to clean there is an equal amount of people who find it average (myself). Perhaps it is climate releated?

 

[Accumulator]

bert31- And the older I get the more I care about ease-of-use and durability



TH0001- That's the first I've heard of Vintage and silicone :think: Some silicone-rich products lead to hideous issues, while others (e.g. 3M Showcar Paste Wax v1.0) are great and never cause problems.

 

[lbls1]

I don't think Supe or I or most owners of Vintage will disagree; but there was another more important part to Supe's post - the ease of cleaning. That's why I use Vintage. I don't think it looks any better than most good waxes (it looks different), but even my recent durability fav, 476S, doesn't clean up nearly as easily.

My spin is a little different. Feasibly, yes Picus and Supe are right. Will you die without Vintage? No. Will others care whether you use vintage or megs or poorboys? No. Will you care?? That's a question you've got to answer before shopping the competition.



Shopping the competition. I agree with Picus on one of his earlier statements. I would never (except for Accumulator) recommend anyone to buy Vintage or any zymol without comparing products, most preferrably thru actual experience.



My position: Being a frequent (and still avid) user of P21s, let me offer this analogy of my experience. If a zymol (concours) wax didn't look better than the previous lsps that I've used (given the same prep methods), which have ranged from p21s, meguiars, mothers, and zaino, then it would beg the question as to whether I really thought that concours performed better for its price in my experience. Concours performed.



...and if Vintage didn't look better than concours in my view (it was hard to believe that there could be a difference....but there was!), then I'd be relieved in knowing that I at least tried out some products and came to a conclusion, good or bad (also feeling quite mad at the process). Vintage performed.



Prep is a given when you are trying out any lsp. You can't get the full potential out of any wax if you do not prep properly (or in my friend's case...as your paint will permit). The reality is that the individual has to determine for themselves whether any product will work best for them; and you can only do that by judging its looks as compared with others lsps. To me, the durability (although important) takes second place behind the appearance. If an lsp doesn't look good or better than its rivals to you, then it will not be worth its price, whether its $13, $30, $300 or beyond.



Once you get beyond the lsps satisfaction to your use, then you can worry about how you look in traffic!

 

[SuperBee364]

This is a very valuable statement. Although I've never had the need(a slight urge maybe) to dabble in any high-end LSPs, I also feel my prep/correction work stands by itself and is the vital step to how a vehicle's finish appears.



A properly prepped finish with the crappiest of crap LSP will look better than one that's isn't corrected fully and topped with the pinnacle of LSP's. Aren't these estate glaze waxes designed to be used on high end "show car" finishes? Putting them over a mass produced, orange peeled surface doesn't do them justice and is borderline rediculous IMHO. If spending $thousands$ on wax makes people happy and strokes their egos, than more power to you. Can this difference (miniscule at best) be noticed by the passer by in traffic, your neighbor or even a judge at a concourse event. I'd bet not. I get my rocks off by being able to inspect a finish from all angles and seeing nothing less than a flawless, swirl free finish myself. I can't attribute that to a LSP.



BTW - Glad to see you posting again SuperBee. :shocked

So, we should all spend $2184 on Vintage so it could help clean some of the dirt off our vehicles? I doesn't matter how much you pre-soak a dirty vehicle and powerwash it, it'll still require hand washing to be 100% clean. That's unless you're using such a harsh alkaline/acid that it will kill your LSP at the same time. I'm sure most detail company marketing reps(especially the ones at Zymol) would say people use/purchase LSPs for ease of use/looks/durability, but not "ease of cleaning". I haven't seen that one advertised yet and I don't think I could up-sell my clients on that aspect either. :nixweiss

Bold Point 1: Agreed, 100%

Bold Point 2: Thanks, David!



Bold Point 3: good heavens, no. I still think it's a matter of weighing the pros and cons of it on a case-by-case basis. In my particular case, that being borderline obsessive/compulsive/anal about my car, it makes sense. I would/do wash it daily when I can. And since I'm so very sensitive about marring, I love the fact that I can do the wash without touching, although I admit I'm still fascinated by ONR. I also love the whole waxing/car care routine. Vintage would probably drive the average car guy NUTS! You gotta be dedicated to the routine, and you have to *enjoy* it. I love the whole Vintage experience (except, admittedly, the removal process), from seeing those lovely tall beads of water, to watching the disappointed look on the seagull as i neatly clean his bomb off my paint with nary a mark to be had. And *especially* watching the layers of road grime melt off my paint with nothing more than CW&G and a PW. But again, there are those nasty cons that keep Zymol from making more money than OPEC, and they must be considered. This kind of debate has been around forever.... "is x worth that much more than y?" Fill in your favorite wine, car, boat, wax, etc. for either x or y; it makes no difference. And til the end of time, both sides will be battling it out..."No! it's not worth it!" "Yes, it is!"



What's right for some, isn't right for others. But that still makes it right *for some*.

 

[M26]

Bump!----------------

 

[imported_weekendwarrior]

Wow - your thread has gone 9 pages, and you feel like you need to "bump" it?

 

[Accumulator]

Wow - your thread has gone 9 pages, and you feel like you need to "bump" it?

Perhaps he missed the drama of the previous few days :chuckle:



The thread sems to have taken a pleasant turn with everybody agreeing to see things their own way, which doesn't always happen with threads like this.

 

[lbls1]

Perhaps he missed the drama of the previous few days :chuckle:



The thread sems to have taken a pleasant turn with everybody agreeing to see things their own way, which doesn't always happen with threads like this.

lol.......as if you've never agreed to see it your way good buddy!!!!



Darnit...........now you'll *never* buy vintage!!!!!!! Guess you'll have to suffer with souveran...oops....:soscared::bolt

 

[Accumulator]

lbls1- My mechanic wants his floorspace back, so the Jag might be coming home soon. Gee, I might really have to make up my mind about this stuff

 

[Holden_C04]

lbls1- My mechanic wants his floorspace back, so the Jag might be coming home soon. Gee, I might really have to make up my mind about this stuff

It's pretty good stuff. If you're the type of guy who won't notice that kind of bill on your visa statement, which I think you are, you probably won't regret it. It's a good idea to stick with Vintage over the pricier options as well. No one seems to like Royale, other than its former user across the pond.

 

[Bert]

It's pretty good stuff. If you're the type of guy who won't notice that kind of bill on your visa statement, which I think you are, you probably won't regret it. It's a good idea to stick with Vintage over the pricier options as well. No one seems to like Royale, other than its former user across the pond.

If that is true, I need to back to college and get my PhD so I can become a professor also!!

 

[lbls1]

Accumulator, that's great news!!! Seems that your restorer caught on about you using his garage for storage space (not a bad trick).



Me and Accumulator know that he's loaded........but I would at least encourage him (like others) to compete brands. Yada like I said countless times....for that kind of coin you want to see an improvement, and not necessarily just by washing.



Also.....I have a really good hunch that Accumulator is well versed with a few of the nubas on the market......so he's well *prepped* (to take the bait haha).

 

[imported_Picus]

What's the word on selling Vintage? I don't use mine nearly enough as I should. I will probably hold on to it but it'd be good to know if I can sell it and transfer the refills. I guess I could, you know, call Zymol.

 

[CalgaryDetail]

What's the word on selling Vintage? I don't use mine nearly enough as I should. I will probably hold on to it but it'd be good to know if I can sell it and transfer the refills. I guess I could, you know, call Zymol.

I had a friend looking at a used royal, it was going to cost more to trasnfer everything then it was worth. I think between the cost of the vintage from the person and the transfer fee it was more then just buying a new one... but if may be diffrent for you

 

[imported_Picus]

Interesting. It'd kind of be funny if you were stuck with it once you bought it.

 

[Accumulator]

It's pretty good stuff. If you're the type of guy who won't notice that kind of bill on your visa statement, which I think you are, you probably won't regret it..

Well, I wouldn't say that I won't notice it

..Me and Accumulator know that he's loaded...

But then I sober up and quit thinking about buying Vintage :chuckle:



I still wonder if there's any point in using such stuff on the *FAR*-from-perfect original paint on my toys :think: We always say how prep is ~95% and the Jag and RX-7 just can't be prepped all that well :nixweiss



As I always say...If you were here doing my drivers with the stuff I'd probably be onboard, at least to see what I think of it first-hand.

 

[lbls1]

Oh boy..........



Well if you include an all expense paid trip...heck wy not lol!!!!



Pal...remember....Its *Paint*, then *Prep*, and then *LSP*. Za Paint gets the bulk of the 100% credit for the result (I dare say 75-80%)....always. Prep equalizes what you already have, and then the lsp details the fine aspects of the paint finish.



But...that argument has run thin for you at the moment, as it seems that the jag is about done huh.....

 

[Holden_C04]

Why not invest in a quality paint depth gauge and do repeated applications of a light polish until you're happy? What's the point of original, ugly paint? It's going to need to be perfected at some point.

 

[lbls1]

I told him that too awhile ago......but Accumulator likes arguing with me lol!!!!!!! I would never repaint an *acceptable* original finish.....unless I were doing a total restoration with a A1 reputable body and paint operation. Original paint may not necessarily look the best, but try getting 100% consistency (exterior, color match, door jambs, trunk, and paint in concealed areas) from your typical repaint........very hard to find that level of work cost effectively!!!!!!!!