I am thinking of buying Zymol Vintage Glaze

[CalgaryDetail]

i am very confused as to why you edited all your posts... you kept stating that this information was true fact, if such is the case then Zymol has no reason to sue you. You can sue for liable or slander if they the defendent speaks the truth.



I am not going to argue if if your points are wrong or right, its past that. I am however going to say that in editing your posts it gives the illusions that wha you where saying is not true, and thus you fear a law suite.

I am not attacking, not am i syaing you are a liar or anything like that. I am simply stating the perception this turn of evens has given

 

[milani]

Griots Garage - The king of car product marketing (and the maker of great products) has the following to say in their handbook.

Carnauba wax comes from the Brazilian plant, Copernica Cerifera, which is farmed for its vegetable fat type of wax. This wax coats the leaves and actually swells when it gets wet. This allows any moisture to roll off the leaf and be directed down into the plant's root system. It also preserves any moisture within the leaf from evaporating out. In its raw form, carnauba is as hard as a rock, and needs naphtha, petroleum distillates, and other oils to make it into a workable liquid or paste form. Those that advertise "100% Carnauba Wax" are being less than truthful as that would either come in the form of a brick (and as hard as one, too) or in the flake form you see below. (The flakes are still, rock-hard and unable to be applied to paint.)



The barrier created by carnauba-based wax naturally protects your paint from the harmful UV rays of the sun which is probably the most harmful element out there. Though nothing can create a shield against acid rain and toxic bird droppings, our carnauba-based waxes do provide enough of a barrier for you to remove these unwanted foreign deposits quickly before they cause damage to your paint. With its dense properties, the maximum amount of carnauba youcan put into a wax is about 30%. Any more and the product becomes too hard to apply and take off once dried. Our waxes contain the maximum amount of carnauba possible while providing excellent removal characteristics.

:secret :wow::argue

 

[lbls1]

Live and die by your beliefs. That is what this country was founded on. I am not siding with anyone per se, but having the need to take back what was said in lieu of being sued is fundamentally wrong.



Everyone should have the right to voice their opinion in the proper forum.

 

[Todd@RUPES]

i am very confused as to why you edited all your posts... you kept stating that this information was true fact, if such is the case then Zymol has no reason to sue you. You can sue for liable or slander if they the defendent speaks the truth.



I am not going to argue if if your points are wrong or right, its past that. I am however going to say that in editing your posts it gives the illusions that wha you where saying is not true, and thus you fear a law suite.

I am not attacking, not am i syaing you are a liar or anything like that. I am simply stating the perception this turn of evens has given

FWIW, my posts are still visible in plenty of quotes. It is tongue in cheek and not that I want to be sued, but I am confident in everything I have typed.



Personally I thought it would inject some light and fun into a thread that was becomming a circular arguement.



Anyways I am going to rub some banana oil extract crude and a brick of carnauba wax on my paint...



PS How do I know if my car is hungry? I generally eat 3-4 times a day, but I am not sure how often I should feed my paint?

 

[orangedude103]

Technically a definition of feed is to provide materials for maintenance, I am sure most of you would agree that by putting wax on a car you are protecting and maintaining the finish of your car. So if you want to maintain a good finish on your car you should provide wax or sealant to the paint to keep it looking good, another way to say that would be feed wax to your paint. I don't see anything wrong with that. BTW i don't have vintage i feed my paint p21s.

 

[lbls1]

.......you can tell by the car's waistline. Big beltlines will require more feeding. In general I feed my lion about once a month during my wax season (warm season).



A dry joke but you (should) get my drift......

 

[Todd@RUPES]

Live and die by your beliefs. That is what this country was founded on. I am not siding with anyone per se, but having the need to take back what was said in lieu of being sued is fundamentally wrong.



Everyone should have the right to voice their opinion in the proper forum.

I'm not living and dieing my beliefs. I am stating what my research with some of the top wax formulators has taught me.



If your beliefs are founded on marketing, then I would recommend buying the new sealant that GM offered me. They told me it would last for 5 years!!! And the company that makes it is reputable and never been sued for for fraud, so it must be true



I cannot take any more time away from feeding my paint with synthetically bleached wax at the moment...

 

[SuperBee364]

I like Vintage.

:geez

 

[Eliot Ness]

I like Vintage.

:geez

Hey Supe don't be such a stranger!



We haven't had a good wool thread in ages



Now to keep on track, you have posted in the past how well you like Vintage because it cleans so easily, especially with your no touch wash method.

 

[lbls1]

There he goes!!!! Was wondering where Supe was!?!

 

[Accumulator]

There he goes!!!! Was wondering where Supe was!?!

Hey, great to see you back here SuperBee364!!! :wavey



And that's *ALL* I'm gonna post on this thread *



*EDIT: Famous last words

 

[Bert]

I like Vintage.

:geez

Good to see you back SB! While your lurking around, clean out your PM box here and at Detailing Bliss.

 

[Todd@RUPES]

I like Vintage.

:geez

I like SuperBee and I like Vintage. Now if it was priced at 30-60 dollars (about as well as it performs) I would recommend it for everybody

 

[SuperBee364]

Hey Supe don't be such a stranger!



We haven't had a good wool thread in ages



Now to keep on track, you have posted in the past how well you like Vintage because it cleans so easily, especially with your no touch wash method.

Are people still using wool?? Man, they need to get with the times! Seriously, though, I'm still using wool to finish on harder clears and have been stunned with some of the results. Yeah, finishing foam still rules medium and soft clears, but the glow left by fine wool on a hard clear is hard to beat.



And yes, I'm *still* completely enamored by Vintage's clean-ability. Doesn't matter *how* dirty my car gets, if the gunk is over a fairly fresh layer of Vintage, nothing more than my expensive squirt gun is needed to get it off.

There he goes!!!! Was wondering where Supe was!?!

Detailing! Well, that and nursing a sore ego... but let's just go with detailing, aight?

Hey, great to see you back here SuperBee364!!! :wavey



And that's *ALL* I'm gonna post on this thread

Thanks, Accumulator.. I'm such a trouble maker, though, don't be surprised if I get banned again.

Good to see you back SB! While your lurking around, clean out your PM box here and at Detailing Bliss.

D'oh! I'll do that today. Probably.

I like SuperBee and I like Vintage. Now if it was priced at 30-60 dollars (about as well as it performs) I would recommend it for everybody

Hey, Todd, I like you, too! Busy this Saturday night?? Seriously, though, your price point is exactly what made me decide to buy the Vintage in the first place. I figured I'd get about 25 refills in my lifetime. I paid 1600 bucks for my tub. That brings the per-tub price down to 64 bucks (not including shipping, but shipping costs for me are *really* cheap. Not allowed to say the exact number, but let's say McDonalds combo meal cheap round trip). 64 bucks per tub (for me, at least) is a reasonable amount to pay for the results that *I* get (YMMV), and the reasons that *I* liike Vintage. Also, believe it or not, Vintage is bequeath-able. Yup, my son will inherit the rights to free Vintage refills. (SpoiledMan has already gotten dibs to be first-adopted, so stop your PM's right there.)



Honestly, I can't tell the differenece between how Vintage looks and other high end waxes. (Maybe it's just because my prep is *that* good! ), but as I mentioned, I like Vintage for other reasons. Primarily because of it's *phenomenal* environmental protection and ease of cleaning. It is not, however, excessively durable. But then again, I wash my car far more than the average Joe. Washed at reasonable intervals, it would last (I would guess) for six months. I have yet to see better than three months on my own cars. But Collinite, this stuff is not. (Use Yoda voice for that last sentence).



It's just a matter of weighing the pros/cons on your own terms. For some of us, it makes sense. For others... not so much.



*MY* Pros and Cons:



Pros:

Relatively cheap per-tub cost over my liftetime, when compared to other high end waxes.

Environmental protection that has yet to be bested IME.

Looks like a good, high end wax should

Love the application process

Cleanability that has no equal, wax or sealant



Cons:

Upfront expense makes VISA happy, me sad

Mediocre durability

Looks like any other, high end wax

Hate the removal process



Overall, I am happy I bought the stuff, and if I had it to do over again, I *would* buy it again. Not at the 2200 they're asking for it now, though.



Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to start a good wool rant...

 

[wfedwar]

I just saw another brand advertising a detail spray "with 100% carnauba"...

 

[David Fermani]

Honestly, I can't tell the differenece between how Vintage looks and other high end waxes. (Maybe it's just because my prep is *that* good!

This is a very valuable statement. Although I've never had the need(a slight urge maybe) to dabble in any high-end LSPs, I also feel my prep/correction work stands by itself and is the vital step to how a vehicle's finish appears.



A properly prepped finish with the crappiest of crap LSP will look better than one that's isn't corrected fully and topped with the pinnacle of LSP's. Aren't these estate glaze waxes designed to be used on high end "show car" finishes? Putting them over a mass produced, orange peeled surface doesn't do them justice and is borderline rediculous IMHO. If spending $thousands$ on wax makes people happy and strokes their egos, than more power to you. Can this difference (miniscule at best) be noticed by the passer by in traffic, your neighbor or even a judge at a concourse event. I'd bet not. I get my rocks off by being able to inspect a finish from all angles and seeing nothing less than a flawless, swirl free finish myself. I can't attribute that to a LSP.



BTW - Glad to see you posting again SuperBee. :shocked

 

[imported_Picus]

This is a very valuable statement. Although I've never had the need(a slight urge maybe) to dabble in any high-end LSPs, I also feel my prep/correction work stands by itself and is the vital step to how a vehicle's finish appears.



A properly prepped finish with the crappiest of crap LSP will look better than one that's isn't corrected fully and topped with the pinnacle of LSP's. Aren't these estate glaze waxes designed to be used on high end "show car" finishes? Putting them over a mass produced, orange peeled surface doesn't do them justice and is borderline rediculous IMHO. If spending $thousands$ on wax makes people happy and strokes their egos, than more power to you. Can this difference (miniscule at best) be noticed by the passer by in traffic, your neighbor or even a judge at a concourse event. I'd bet not. I get my rocks off by being able to inspect a finish from all angles and seeing nothing less than a flawless, swirl free finish myself. I can't attribute that to a LSP.



BTW - Glad to see you posting again SuperBee. :shocked

I don't think Supe or I or most owners of Vintage will disagree; but there was another more important part to Supe's post - the ease of cleaning. That's why I use Vintage. I don't think it looks any better than most good waxes (it looks different), but even my recent durability fav, 476S, doesn't clean up nearly as easily.

 

[David Fermani]

I don't think Supe or I or most owners of Vintage will disagree; but there was another more important part to Supe's post - the ease of cleaning. That's why I use Vintage. I don't think it looks any better than most good waxes (it looks different), but even my recent durability fav, 476S, doesn't clean up nearly as easily.

So, we should all spend $2184 on Vintage so it could help clean some of the dirt off our vehicles? I doesn't matter how much you pre-soak a dirty vehicle and powerwash it, it'll still require hand washing to be 100% clean. That's unless you're using such a harsh alkaline/acid that it will kill your LSP at the same time. I'm sure most detail company marketing reps(especially the ones at Zymol) would say people use/purchase LSPs for ease of use/looks/durability, but not "ease of cleaning". I haven't seen that one advertised yet and I don't think I could up-sell my clients on that aspect either. :nixweiss

 

[Accumulator]

Oh, man...I said I wasn't gonna post on this one But hey, wash-related stuff is always one of my big interests, so:



David Fermani- One of the big reasons why I use UPP on the S8 is the way it cleans up. I can get it clean with a minimum of mechanical agitation, so absent the ability to pw for the prewash, it helps me keep that car (relatively) marring-free. One of the reasons I sometimes consider buying Vintage *is* the way certain (IMO reputable) Autopians have raved about how easily it washes clean.



If the purchase price isn't a big deal, something like how it washes up might be a primary criterion for *some* people. Seems reasonable to me since marring-free washes are so important to me, but that "IF the purchase price isn't a big deal" part needs emphasized (as in, skip the "but it's so much money" arguments cause "expensive" is literally subjective).



Would I spend that kind of money to better avoid marring (and the resulting need to spend time polishing)? Perhaps :think: :nixweiss There *are* other considerations though, so I just keep toying with the idea instead of actually buying the stuff.



But if you consider how many people here say they're happy with it for that reason, and add me as another possible buyer, well, that's quite a few jars of Vintage and it's not like Zymol expects/needs a big market for that stuff.



Hmmm..now why *is* Vintage so easy to clean if it's just another wax

 

[imported_Picus]

So, we should all spend $2184 on Vintage so it could help clean some of the dirt off our vehicles? I doesn't matter how much you pre-soak a dirty vehicle and powerwash it, it'll still require hand washing to be 100% clean. That's unless you're using such a harsh alkaline/acid that it will kill your LSP at the same time. I'm sure most detail company marketing reps(especially the ones at Zymol) would say people use/purchase LSPs for ease of use/looks/durability, but not "ease of cleaning". I haven't seen that one advertised yet and I don't think I could up-sell my clients on that aspect either. :nixweiss

I don't recall telling anyone to buy Vintage. In fact, I've very rarely talked about it at all. If that's what you took from my post then you read it wrong.



Let me make an analogy that will be easier to understand. If we're talking about durability I might say something like "I get 8 weeks out of Vintage if I am lucky, I usually get closer to 5-6 weeks, but I get 4+ months from Collinite 476S". Now that isn't me telling everyone to skip Vintage and buy 476S, it's just a comment about a certain aspect of each waxes performance. People can draw their own conclusions, the same as I do when I read other Autopians posts.