I am thinking of buying Zymol Vintage Glaze

Should i do it?

  • Yes!!!! Dude its totally worth it!!!! You will be blown away!!

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  • No!!!! You must be outta your freakin' mind!

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Todd - If Zymol is like this and it seems like you don't like their marketing ways and don't believe their manufacturing process and such; may I ask why you've used Zymol Concours and Zymol Titanium?



This isn't criticizing you or your post at all, I just want to hear your opinions on why you feel this way and use their product?



To the OP - If you have to ASK if you should by it. Then the answer is no, don't buy it.
 
TH0001 said:
Here is the thing....



Vintage is absolutely not magical. It is the same as any other wax out there, that it is it has solvents, oils, silicon, and #1 grade YELLOW carnuaba wax.



So lets get this out in the open, these are things that are absolute falsehoods about Vintage



-It has 61% (or whatever) white carnauba wax by volume which is of course stupid and impossible.



Why is it stupid? Because the look and durability of 'carnauba wax' is FAR more dependent on the oils and additives added to the wax, not the amount of wax (the cheapest product in the mix, fwiw). In fact more wax percentage not only negatively effects application, but effects the transfer of the wax to the paint's surface, which effects durablity.



Why is it impossible?



There is NO such thing as white wax. ALL paste waxes use #1 grade yellow carnuaba wax, so this is lie. However some companies bleach or micro cut the wax to make it look white, so I guess if it kinda looks like it could be white, then they will just say it is (fwiw, carnuaba wax is yellowish brown in appearance)



Not enough...



How about the advertisted about of wax in the product. Keep in mind that the amount is FAR less important the other ingredients (which generally cost much more anyways, so you would be may be paying more for a less expensive part anyways) to final appearance of the wax.



When in its natural state carnauba wax is harder then concrete, it MUST be cut with solvents to make it soft enough to be applicable to a painted surface. Some companies claim to blend it with natural oils, but based on the amount of carnuaba they are claiming to have in the product, these 'natural oils' must be stronger then acetone if they allow for such a huge volume of wax to be softened to the point of application. (Then apply these nasty oil/solvents with your bare hands, you are luck to have skin left!)



The truth is that modern California regulations have limited amount solvent that can be used in the product, and the strength of those solvents. Generally speaking, it is impossible to get a product that has more then 35% (most waxes are in the 14-17% window, fwiw) carnuaba solids to work.



So how does Zymol measure their wax (to state it is 61% or whatever)? I don't know, and apparently Zymol doesn't.. I called twice asking specific questions about how they measure the content of their wax and twice I didn't get call backs. It seems to me that they would openly share this information because the measurments they claim (and many refute since they are impossible to achieve) since it would only establish their credibility. What are they hiding?



It seems to me like they are hiding dubious marketing techniques. For example...



Take a 100 gallon drum and fill it with 80 gallons of feathers. It is now 80% full right? Then take water and pump it into the drum. You might be suprised to see that it will probably swallow 80 or more gallons of water. So now we have 80 gallons of water and 80 gallons of feathers in a 100 gallon drum? What doesn't add up? Well it depends on how we look at it.



On one hand we could say that the drum consistest of 80% feather by volume. Notice we don't say volume of what or specify volume in any other way. This is based on the premise that at point, the fluffy dry volume of the product took up 80% of the drum (before water was added). Of course this is dubious science and should be disregarded.



On the second hand we could say that the drum consists of 50% feather by volume. Again we are not specifiying the volume, but only saying that 80 gallons of feathers are mixed with 80 gallons of water so it is 50%. The problem is that we know that you cannot fit 160 gallons in a 100 gallon drum, so what is going on? We are measuring dry volume against wet volume which is responsible for the gross miscalcuation and could be twisted into the mistruth.



On the third hand (I don't know who has 3 hands, btw), we could measure the combined (same state volume) of both products and determine quite fairly that the the drum is 80% volume by water and 20% volume by feather. However in a market that thrives on inflated numbers, this doesn't sound quite as impressive. Fortunately for new wax manufacturers, there is not regulatory body that oversee's the scientific validity of the numbers they use.



What does water and feathers have to do with carnuaba wax? Water is wet and would be similar to solvents and oils added to the mix. Carnauba wax is very flakey and lacks density, think if the feathers where made of feathers.



Also, the hand application is a myth. If the product has so much wax you have melt it in your hands (or has enzymes) imagine what happens in the heat of the sun... The texture of the wax is what allows it to be hand applicable or not. And it is not the heat of your hand, but the friction of the application to your hand that introduces the solids to the solvents (causing it to melt). Take Vintage in your hand (or any soft textured wax) and hold it there... It will just sit there. Also in Florida, it is often warmer in my garage then in my hand, and the wax hasn't melted. The wax the product is mixed and cooked is what effects the texture, but it is just more dubious marketing...



So in the end you have a wax that cost $2200 (which costs a couple dollars to make before being placed in a $100 'crytal glass contanior) which sells for a market up that is laughable.



There is the problem, Vintage is a great wax. It really would do well with out the lies and dubious marketing that surrounds it, it looks as good as some really good waxes. It should as it features the same types of silicones, solvents, oils, and carnuaba wax.



There is nothing wrong with paying more for a product that does something better or different but keep this in mind.



-EVERY single claim that Zymol makes about Vintage and how it is different then other waxes (content, application, protection) is a SCIENTIFIC IMPOSSIBILITY. Every claim....



-The product cost and manufacturering process for most carnauba waxes is around 1 dollar to 5 dollars. Some guys have told me that the packaging and labeling cost far more then the product itself. Now Zymol would like to seperate their wax in a class above this, but then again every claim they make is false..



In the end the facts don't matter however. If the product looks magically better or stands out, or if you are just plain happy with it for the cost, it is a good value. I know that if I was so confident that my product (regardless of what it was) was so much better then anybody elses that it justified the cost differnece, I wouldn't hide behind myths and dubious marketing....





post of the year x2 :wow:
 
M26- I can't vote on this because I just don't have enough information about your situation (and it's none of my business). I know people who'd simply never notice that purchase on their montly VISA bills, it's pocket change to them and I'm all for stimulating the economy.



If the money means less to you than having the wax, then sure, spend away. It's no different from buying anything else that's expensive- whatever you get out of it had better mean more to you than having the money.



But since you're asking, I have to think that the money might be an issue (at least to some extent), and if it is, then I'd say that putting it into a car wax is probably not a good idea.
 
Find somebody to sell you one or two ozs and give it a try. See if you think it is worth $2200 dollars. I think you will be surprised and very happy you still have $2100 in your pocket. JMHO.



I have used it and I do not see a major difference than any good $50 wax, atleast not $2150 worth of difference, THATS FOR SURE.
 
z06meister said:
Find somebody to sell you one or two ozs and give it a try. See if you think it is worth $2200 dollars. I think you will be surprised and very happy you still have $2100 in your pocket. JMHO.



I have used it and I do not see a major difference than any good $50 wax, atleast not $2150 worth of difference, THATS FOR SURE.



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Completely not worth the money.



If you really want to throw away $2000, just send it to me. I need the money to put into something that is actually vintage...
 
I might as well use the 2grand for putting in a sound system or a may be soup up my car.. how about that?

i was gonna go crazy and spend 2k dollars on the wax.. as if i have not spent enuff yet! LOL
 
I apologize to the doubters, but I have nothing but good things to say about EGZymol Vintage. I believe their claim of it having 61% carnauba, and I invite anyone with concrete proof (meaning a full laboratory test of the compound which will show that it does not have the content that it is claiming that it has) to show otherwise. I will only listen to that and not heresay.



Aside from my obvious liking of the product, to be honest, if you have not tried any of zymol's wax models, then I would advise you to try one of zymol's popular waxes such as carbon or japon, and measure it against some other similarly composed wax products to see if you can notice a difference in results. The best value assessment may find itself in a comparison with one of the EGZymols (the estate waxes such as Titanium, Glasur, Concours, Destiny, Ital) against its rivals. If you are reasonably secure that any of zymol's waxes are competent, then that is when I would give you a sure vote of confidence in obtaining Vintage.



Zymol wants a lot of money for their products (especially the EG waxes), and it is only fair to say to anyone that is curious about the Zymols that one should shop around and compare before spending a lot of money.



But to answer the question, the Zymols have proven their ability in my comparison and usage experience.
 
lbls1 said:
I apologize to the doubters, but I have nothing but good things to say about EGZymol Vintage. I believe their claim of it having 61% carnauba, and I invite anyone with concrete proof (meaning a full laboratory test of the compound which will show that it does not have the content that it is claiming that it has) to show otherwise. I will only listen to that and not heresay.





For those familiar with how carnauba works, there is no doubt 61% is impossible. Carnauba is harder than concrete! There is no need for a laboratory test. That is, unless you are the one willing to pay for it? ;)



In fact, I believe Zymol itself labels how the carnauba content is measured. They fully inform the consumer that the carnauba content is not a true measure. The carnauba percentage is just a marketing ploy, a successful one at that.



It's pretty good stuff, nonetheless.
 
Holden_C04 said:
For those familiar with how carnauba works, there is no doubt 61% is impossible. Carnauba is harder than concrete! There is no need for a laboratory test. That is, unless you are the one willing to pay for it? ;)



In fact, I believe Zymol itself labels how the carnauba content is measured. They fully inform the consumer that the carnauba content is not a true measure. The carnauba percentage is just a marketing ploy, a successful one at that.



It's pretty good stuff, nonetheless.



I am not (really) concerned with what may appear to dispute the zymol's claim of any percentage of canauba. I am more interested in actual evidence against the "so called" ingredients, and of course proven results. Zymol has marketed their products for (almost) three decades without sanction. The only effective way to discount their claim is to produce evidence which will show that the claim is false.



However, to your credit, the real proof is in the results. You can have a lot of anything, yet not be quite as effective as a cheaper and quicker opponent. It just remains that for me a few of zymols (coincidentally their pricier) waxes have shown themselves as quite potent and competitive.
 
lbls1 said:
I am not (really) concerned with what may appear to dispute the zymol's claim of any percentage of canauba. I am more interested in actual evidence against the "so called" ingredients, and of course proven results. Zymol has marketed their products for (almost) three decades without sanction. The only effective way to discount their claim is to produce evidence which will show that the claim is false.



I think you may have misunderstood what Todd wrote. Zymol has not fabricated information. However, they have manipulated information to produce a marketable image and while they are not making false claims, they are using a method of calculation that favours their marketing.
 
I wasn't that concerned with comments posted or what was said. My attention lies in facts or evidence for and or against claims. Now if Zymol wants to use fancy wording or a showy web presence to market their products (So called greasing to make the stuff go down quicker), then more power to them.



However, telling folks that something which is published or marketed as having a stated content or performance is false or impossible without proving how or why is itself a false premise.
 
I wish i can take a sample of vintage and take it into the MCB lab and check the contents of it.



Try a sample, if you like it, but it, if you don't, like what other said, save some of your money.
 
Im satisfied with my cheapass Pinnacle Carnauba Paste wax, Never seen anything better on my black cars, so no need to spend 2k dollars on something that really only could look a fraction better.
 
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