I am thinking of buying Zymol Vintage Glaze

Should i do it?

  • Yes!!!! Dude its totally worth it!!!! You will be blown away!!

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  • No!!!! You must be outta your freakin' mind!

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i love it..but thats me....



if you want it and can afford it then why not...if you cant then you cant.



your going to hear both sides but lest face it, you have laready made your mind up..... if you want it do it, if not then dont
 
M26 said:
LOL :rofl that was pretty funny i am still laughing actually!
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If you have the money, go ahead. If you're not sure, maybe it's not for you. $2200 is a lot for car wax. I have Vintage and I find myself using Ultima lately.
 
calgarydetail said:
i love it..but thats me....



if you want it and can afford it then why not...if you cant then you cant.



your going to hear both sides but lest face it, you have laready made your mind up..... if you want it do it, if not then dont
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Hey Calgary, aren't you the one that went through all the hassle of getting your Vintage? I applaud you for being so patient. Now if I can figure out how to get some Riccardo clay . . .
 
Vintage said:
Hey Calgary, aren't you the one that went through all the hassle of getting your Vintage? I applaud you for being so patient. Now if I can figure out how to get some Riccardo clay . . .
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Why are you using ultima if you have the Vintage? :cry:
 
M26 said:
Why are you using ultima if you have the Vintage? :cry:
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Don't get me wrong. I love Vintage and the look is second to none. But try using it on daily drivers. It's not very consumer friendly. Attracts dust, time consuming to apply, looks best when layered, etc. I love it for my garage queen, but for friends and family that will just let the rain wash their cars . . . Ultima is the way to go. Does a car in 15 minutes, lasts a long time even here in Chicago. I have a heated garage so applying Vintage in the winter after an ONR wash is no problem. But still, the Ultima is so tempting when time is precious.
 
Vintage said:
Don't get me wrong. I love Vintage and the look is second to none. But try using it on daily drivers. It's not very consumer friendly. Attracts dust, time consuming to apply, looks best when layered, etc. I love it for my garage queen, but for friends and family that will just let the rain wash their cars . . . Ultima is the way to go. Does a car in 15 minutes, lasts a long time even here in Chicago. I have a heated garage so applying Vintage in the winter after an ONR wash is no problem. But still, the Ultima is so tempting when time is precious.
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So what products from ultima should i get?

I was thinking of Ordering full line of products from Collinite, but then klasse and menzerna sound tempting too.

What do u say?
 
M26 said:
I am thinking of buying Zymol Vintage Glaze......
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M26 said:
So what products from ultima should i get?

I was thinking of Ordering full line of products from Collinite, but then klasse and menzerna sound tempting too. What do u say?
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A sealer (Ultima) vs a wax (Vintage) each has pros and cons. You pretty much have to try both to see what you like best on a particular car and the way it is used and cared for.



I love the way a sealant like Ultima is easy to clean and looks very good. But I also love the warmth and depth that a good carnauba adds to a dark colored car. One way to reduce the dust attraction I have found is a good QD (FK 425 works wonders).



There are a lot of waxes you should try before you even contemplate spending $2K for a wax. I've never used Vintage so I can't comment on it, but a reasonably priced wax I finally bought that impressed me was Victoria's Red Concours wax; you can get a small tub of that for under $40.



If you want to try the Ultima line I think they have some kits put together. I would at least get the sealer (UPGP), the prep (UPPP), and possibly their shampoo..... it is expensive but works very well with UPGP.
 
Hmmm.....looks like they're raised the price since I last bought mine. I had no problem paying $30k for a wax...I draw the line at $45k.





Eliot Ness said:
Hey Casey, did you ever find the Zymol Solaris that you misplaced or did you just order another one?



ZYMOL SOLARIS



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Todd, I always enjoy reading your posts! I admire your passion! I do agree that a company that makes such outrageous claims should have the balls to back them up! $2200 for a wax? Personally I would never! A pure waste of $2150, IMO!!
 
Vintage said:
Hey Calgary, aren't you the one that went through all the hassle of getting your Vintage? I applaud you for being so patient. Now if I can figure out how to get some Riccardo clay . . .
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that was me, i had to order it twice, and im sure glad i did. I have really fallen in love with vintage. I am personaly very happy with my purchases, i do not regret it. Heck if i had to buy it again I would.

:woot:

like everything wax is a personal choice, i persnoaly love vintage and see value in it, others may not...



m26, like i said, its your money, your car, your wax. if you really need to ask the question are you really wanting it? its cool to own, but how badly do yu really want it if an internet poll can change your mind so quickly.....



im not trying to be a jerk, im really not. its just better you know now if you want it then before you spend 2grand.
 
TH0001 said:
Here is the thing....



Vintage is absolutely not magical. It is the same as any other wax out there, that it is it has solvents, oils, silicon, and #1 grade YELLOW carnuaba wax.



So lets get this out in the open, these are things that are absolute falsehoods about Vintage



-It has 61% (or whatever) white carnauba wax by volume which is of course stupid and impossible.



Why is it stupid? Because the look and durability of 'carnauba wax' is FAR more dependent on the oils and additives added to the wax, not the amount of wax (the cheapest product in the mix, fwiw). In fact more wax percentage not only negatively effects application, but effects the transfer of the wax to the paint's surface, which effects durablity.



Why is it impossible?



There is NO such thing as white wax. ALL paste waxes use #1 grade yellow carnuaba wax, so this is lie. However some companies bleach or micro cut the wax to make it look white, so I guess if it kinda looks like it could be white, then they will just say it is (fwiw, carnuaba wax is yellowish brown in appearance)



Not enough...



How about the advertisted about of wax in the product. Keep in mind that the amount is FAR less important the other ingredients (which generally cost much more anyways, so you would be may be paying more for a less expensive part anyways) to final appearance of the wax.



When in its natural state carnauba wax is harder then concrete, it MUST be cut with solvents to make it soft enough to be applicable to a painted surface. Some companies claim to blend it with natural oils, but based on the amount of carnuaba they are claiming to have in the product, these 'natural oils' must be stronger then acetone if they allow for such a huge volume of wax to be softened to the point of application. (Then apply these nasty oil/solvents with your bare hands, you are luck to have skin left!)



The truth is that modern California regulations have limited amount solvent that can be used in the product, and the strength of those solvents. Generally speaking, it is impossible to get a product that has more then 35% (most waxes are in the 14-17% window, fwiw) carnuaba solids to work.



So how does Zymol measure their wax (to state it is 61% or whatever)? I don't know, and apparently Zymol doesn't.. I called twice asking specific questions about how they measure the content of their wax and twice I didn't get call backs. It seems to me that they would openly share this information because the measurments they claim (and many refute since they are impossible to achieve) since it would only establish their credibility. What are they hiding?



It seems to me like they are hiding dubious marketing techniques. For example...



Take a 100 gallon drum and fill it with 80 gallons of feathers. It is now 80% full right? Then take water and pump it into the drum. You might be suprised to see that it will probably swallow 80 or more gallons of water. So now we have 80 gallons of water and 80 gallons of feathers in a 100 gallon drum? What doesn't add up? Well it depends on how we look at it.



On one hand we could say that the drum consistest of 80% feather by volume. Notice we don't say volume of what or specify volume in any other way. This is based on the premise that at point, the fluffy dry volume of the product took up 80% of the drum (before water was added). Of course this is dubious science and should be disregarded.



On the second hand we could say that the drum consists of 50% feather by volume. Again we are not specifiying the volume, but only saying that 80 gallons of feathers are mixed with 80 gallons of water so it is 50%. The problem is that we know that you cannot fit 160 gallons in a 100 gallon drum, so what is going on? We are measuring dry volume against wet volume which is responsible for the gross miscalcuation and could be twisted into the mistruth.



On the third hand (I don't know who has 3 hands, btw), we could measure the combined (same state volume) of both products and determine quite fairly that the the drum is 80% volume by water and 20% volume by feather. However in a market that thrives on inflated numbers, this doesn't sound quite as impressive. Fortunately for new wax manufacturers, there is not regulatory body that oversee's the scientific validity of the numbers they use.



What does water and feathers have to do with carnuaba wax? Water is wet and would be similar to solvents and oils added to the mix. Carnauba wax is very flakey and lacks density, think if the feathers where made of feathers.



Also, the hand application is a myth. If the product has so much wax you have melt it in your hands (or has enzymes) imagine what happens in the heat of the sun... The texture of the wax is what allows it to be hand applicable or not. And it is not the heat of your hand, but the friction of the application to your hand that introduces the solids to the solvents (causing it to melt). Take Vintage in your hand (or any soft textured wax) and hold it there... It will just sit there. Also in Florida, it is often warmer in my garage then in my hand, and the wax hasn't melted. The wax the product is mixed and cooked is what effects the texture, but it is just more dubious marketing...



So in the end you have a wax that cost $2200 (which costs a couple dollars to make before being placed in a $100 'crytal glass contanior) which sells for a market up that is laughable.



There is the problem, Vintage is a great wax. It really would do well with out the lies and dubious marketing that surrounds it, it looks as good as some really good waxes. It should as it features the same types of silicones, solvents, oils, and carnuaba wax.



There is nothing wrong with paying more for a product that does something better or different but keep this in mind.



-EVERY single claim that Zymol makes about Vintage and how it is different then other waxes (content, application, protection) is a SCIENTIFIC IMPOSSIBILITY. Every claim....



-The product cost and manufacturering process for most carnauba waxes is around 1 dollar to 5 dollars. Some guys have told me that the packaging and labeling cost far more then the product itself. Now Zymol would like to seperate their wax in a class above this, but then again every claim they make is false..



In the end the facts don't matter however. If the product looks magically better or stands out, or if you are just plain happy with it for the cost, it is a good value. I know that if I was so confident that my product (regardless of what it was) was so much better then anybody elses that it justified the cost differnece, I wouldn't hide behind myths and dubious marketing....
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Gets my nomination for POTY. :bigups
 
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