how to remove scratches and keep them from returning?

DACP and medium cut will leave a haze if it's not really broken down.



You now need to keep stepping down in polish.



Go to Megs SFP in the bodyshop line (same as #9) or 3M PIII-MG.



Then, for final mirror look, use Megs Hand Polish with a finish pad.



I've used Menzerna FP this way as well, the polish burnishes the finish not the pad so you end up with a more mirror effect.



Wax away!



Regards,

Deanski
 
so the easiest way to get rid of the hazing is to step to a finer polish since i didnt break it down all the way? :( Will my PI-III i mentioned earlier work fine for a second step? I really appreciate all the help you all are giving me! Ive got 7 days until i get my license, and my car HAS to be looking perfect. :xyxthumbs
 
If you have the 3M PIII-MG P/N: 05937 (quart) that wwill work very well! Use a polish pad (white) and work it into the finish. Wipe and no swirls/marring. If it is difficult to remove after working it, it may have been too much on the pad/finish at one time and it binds up. Use a QD or I mix car wash and distilled water mix (1/2 cap to 12oz water in spray bottle)



After all that, the finish should be as close to a mirror w/o going to a hand polish.



Regards,

Deanski
 
i have the 3M pn 05933. I will end up using that on a orange griots polish pad to remove the swirls/marring and then probably friday i'll pick up some 05937 to finsih it all up! I'll post results once i have more time to finish the first stage. Only got the hood, fenders, and passenger door completed with the medium cut.



-Zach
 
Looks good. Did you use a Rotary buffer? What kind and where from? How much?

Always, when rubbing on or off products use straight motion, not circles. Long ways on horizontal and vertical on verticals.

(hood, front to back) ( doors, up and down)
 
boostdfd3s- You seem to be on the right track. I REALLY dunno about your choices of waxes. The Meg's cleaner wax is OK for what it is, but you don't need it's cleaning ability with all the polishing you're doing and it WON'T last long. The Griot's paste isn't too hot either. So-so looks and not much protection. *I* would try to really get some serious protection on the car (think "sacrificial layer") so your polishing isn't in vain. And so you don't have to keep on polishing it so often that you run out of clearcoat. LOTS of choices, and SO MANY of them are better than cleaner waxes and the Griot's.



You shouldn't need to use the 05933 TOO much in between the Medium Cut and the 05937.



Sorry, not familiar with 3M's pads. See how they feel compared to the Griot's. Differences that matter are NOT subtle.



Sounds like maybe you should get a new sheepskin mitt. Inspect it (new or old) carefully to make sure you don't have any abrasive contaminants stuck in it.
 
i have a porter cable orbital, set on speed 5. And i do overlapping vertical then horizontal motions when applying and then straight left to right when removing with a MF towel.



accumulator- Yea, i kno the Meg's wax isnt the greatest, i was just using it to see what i liked better, liquid vs paste. And believe me, im gonna make absolutely sure theres more than enough wax on that surface! lol.



The 3M pads look like mogules on a ski slope. Theyre white and the foam is much coarser than the orange griots. They say 3M compounding pad on the back, and judging by my pics and the look of the car in person, id say theyre doing their job.



Back to the garage! :cool:



-Zach
 
just came in for the night. Finished up the medium cut polishing over the entire car. I had some problems on the drivers side door though. The compound WOULD NOT come off the damn paint! i wiped as hard as i could w/o creating scratches, used a LOT of 50/50 h2o/alc, and even washed the car twice with dawn before 99% of it came off. Ne ideas? Im gonna head back out 2morrow and get on that PI-III fine cut and do the entire car.





-Zach
 
Sounds as if you had too much while polishing. This is common when too much product is being used as the PC's cannot generate the heat like a rotary so it starts to bind up.



When you use the 3M PIII-MG, I went with a White polish pad from Lake as they seem to be best for the PC's.



Never rub too hard, just use another method to wet it and remove it.



You will have better results with 3M PIII-MG. If you doubt me, check out this thread and the pics:



3M Perfect-It III MG Results



See????



Regards,

Deanski
 
:eek: I LIKE!! I will definitely be picking some of that up 2morrow. However, i still have some swirls in the paint from removing the Medium Cut compound, and some medium swirls from the compound. Would it be better to do one pass of the PI-III first THEN step down to the PI-III MG? I have orange griot's polish pads on hand, so i will most likely be using them....no auto stores locally that carry any of the Lake or CMA products :(



-Zach
 
AIO= Klasse All-In-One. More acronyms: Acronyms



TO be honest, you may get very good results with removal of any remaining swirls and haze with PIII-MG and the orange pad, as this pad is a tad more aggressive than a standard white polish pad. It will remove any compounding wheel marks as well as that is what it was designed for.



I'd go to the PIII-MG on one area, if after polishing it down until it's broken down you see no improvements, then go back up and remove what you need, then back to the PIII-MG.



If you were going to wax and not use a sealant, the PIII-FG is very nice as it also contains light amount of carnuba in it.



Take your time.



Regards,

Deanski
 
sounds like a good plan. I'll try my best to pick up some MG on the way home from school tomorrow and test it out on a corner of the hood to gauge what all i need to do. If it doesnt remove all the remaning scratches i want it to, i'll drop down to the PI-III and then go back to the MG for the finishing touches. For now, the only good wax i have ia BOS from griots. I'll put a double coat of that on for some good temporary protection, then decide what to use after that. BTW, how do u exactly tell when its broken down? Is it when it starts to dry and becomes hazy? I feel sometimes im working it in TOO much, is that possible?



-Zach
 
Yes you do want to break it down, but as you said, you have to know when to stop. I always keep checking my work as I go so I know then when it's doing the job I wanted and no more. Too many times people keep going over it way too long without checking first. Look at it this way, if it did the job after several passes on the area, great, if not keep going and check again. Once this is determined, the rest of the car goes the same. Also, pads play a BIG part in results. I ALWAYS go with a lower level pad first, that's why I have so many anyway especially if you are not familiar with the product. This way I match up the pad and product. I also keep a log as well. What works with which pad/polish and finish.



When I polish after a car was out of a paint booth, I am constantly checking.. Don't want to send it back for re-shoot because I was a dumb a. Once I get the results I wanted, I then repeat for the rest of the car.



It helps to take your time and never rush! If you go too far then you can only blame yourself. Once you get that feeling and rhythm the rest goes easy.



Let us know how you do!



Regards,

Deanski
 
Started the last stage of polishing and i changed a few of my methods. I paced myself and too my time, used a LOT less product (really helped with the ease-of-removal), and changed pads more often. I've got the hood, passenger fender and door finished and the paint looks AMAZING! All the swirls from the machine are gone, and im left with virtually no scratches. Many thanks to all who helped me out! :bow I started with the MG first and then ended up dropping to the MI-III almost everytime, so from now on i'll start with the III and then use the MG to finish it. I will try to post pics when im done but st. louis weather is screwy and i havent had any sunlight in like 3 days.



-Zach
 
See, that's all you needed to do! Use less and keep checking how well it's going. Now you found the way the product reacts and how well it can work for you with the right pads and technique.



This, technique, is the major contributor on how well a product/pad works for anyone.



The Megs MG is close to 3M PIII-MG, so you can give it a try, but you may just be duplicating what you did.



The lowest polish in Megs line is the Hand Polish, which I used both hand and with a finish pad with very good results. I've also used the Menzerna-FP or Glue-Zerna if you use way too much. You think the other product was hard to remove? Menzerna-FP in large quantity is a real PITA! But it DOES work very well!



Glad to know the finish is now almost perfect and you are now seeing the results! Keep it up and let us know how well it turned out!



Regards,

Deanski
 
Well, we finally got some sunshine today, so i pull out my car to check the results. The major scratches are gone, and so are the swirls that appear in direct sunlight. What remains is the swirls and scratches that appear when the sunlight isnt directly on them, almost like waves of multitudes of tiny LONG scratches/swirls. I brought the PI-III back out and did 4 separate applications, then used the MG again, and it did nothing to help. What should i do?:nixweiss These scratches are tormenting me!!!:angry



-Zach
 
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