How to remove 3 layers of Zaino Z2Pro

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3fiddyz

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Hi guys



I had my first attempt at using an RO last weekend. I used the Zaino AIO on a very soft finishing pad and ive put some buff marks in some panels



The problem is i didnt notice the buff marks and layered 3 coats of Z2-Pro



Is there anyway of removing the Zaino so i can polish the panels by hand with Menzerna FPII to remove the marks



I dont want to use the RO again
 
Any paint cleanser, you all ready have ZAIO, can be used by hand to removal any paint protectant including Z2PRO x ?.



Of course, you can just repair the blemished panel with ZAIO and PC or your chosen polish. Top with ZAIO and Z2PRO x 3. Not real need to re-do entire vehicle.
 
i always thought Zaino was too hard to cut through by hand?



should i use a cutting pad then with Menzerna FP II?
 
3fiddyz said:
i always thought Zaino was too hard to cut through by hand?



should i use a cutting pad then with Menzerna FP II?
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Sheesh, it's not paint! Don't use a cutting pad unless that's what you need to remove the swirls...generally speaking a cutting pad with FPII is not a good match, anyway. Are you really saying that you think that any LSP could withstand abrasive polishing? If the paint can't withstand abrasive polishing (and not be abraded away to remove swirls), the LSP has no chance, dude.
 
Bence said:
Just ask some bird poo or sprinkler... They'll say it's pretty easy actually! :)
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Thanks for your useful reply. :down



Here is some good info on Bird Excrement:



Bird Excrement:

(Or insect excrement like Gypsy moth, June bug, Honeybees, etc) contain highly acidic concentrates (uric acid (pH 3.0-4.5) which if left for any length of time the will cause the porous clear coat to occlude (a non-transparent ‘clouded’ area) or may cause etching (a depression in the paint or glass surfaces) Heat (vehicle paint temperature of 90oF+) creates a very aggressive reactivity of the acids that are present, which causes surface etching, so they should be removed without delay, at lower temperatures (40oF or less) there s no reactivity and therefore little or no etching.
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Birds eat different foods in different seasons. Sometimes its not that bad and sometimes it's highly acidic.



No matter what LSP you use, if you get bird excrement on your finish get it off as soon as possible.
 
3fiddyz said:
i always thought Zaino was too hard to cut through by hand?



should i use a cutting pad then with Menzerna FP II?
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Not true.

Even though Zaino sealants are the benchmark for durable protection and appearance compared to other LSP's. it is still easily removed by simple paint cleansing, paint prep solutions like Prepsol and eventual sacrificial degradation in time. :usa
 
Bence said:
Just ask some bird poo or sprinkler... They'll say it's pretty easy actually! :)
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I miss you blowin' smoke up waynestowels on toadfly ... did they give you a longer leash or is fk1's site still down? :nana: You actually sounded detail educated ... once.
 
thanks for the vote of confidence guys, ill hit it tomorrow with some FPII on a polishing pad and see how it goes. It's just my bonnet and rear 1/4 that has it, so ill attack those with the FPII and Z-AIO the rest of the car just in case



i also have the Z-PC somewhere in my cupboard. Would that be more effective at removing the zaino + buff marks then Menzerna FPII? I also have a sample of IP
 
It all depends on the severity of the remaining blemishes (buff marks). I would start with the ZAIO with a polishing pad. If that does not completely remedy, move to the Z-PC with polishing pad. You can use the same pad. If ZAIO and Z-PC do not remove, then move up to IP with another polishing pad or mild cutting pad. Finish up with ZAIO and finishing pad or by hand.
 
3fiddyz said:
i always thought Zaino was too hard to cut through by hand?
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There is a lot of bad info flowing around the net. I had read the same thing about Zaino from a web article from an author I highly respect (for general car knowledge, not as a detailing expert) and it kept me from trying sealants for years out of concern about how I could remove it if I didn't like it. That's the downside of the net -- a well-written article from a non-expert in a particular area can be dangerous thing because it looks like fact (it did to me, I didn't even try to think about whether it might be true and stuck with Carnubas). The upside of the net is being able to find expert sites like this for specialized info -- I've learned more here in 2 months than I've learned in the previous several years from car club sites (including unlearning a few "facts").
 
peterp, yes, there are always dangers in certain written materials. I remember when a truly respected English car journalist said that "carnaube dries to a concrete-hard layer - as carnauba wax is extremely hard in its natural form, and this layer will last a year". This contains both correct factual information, but also the weaker link, the human interpretation - which hands the whole into the hands of Bill O'Reilly...



PINITI, I occasionally visit Roadfly but unfortunately the forum there has not a high niveau anymore. I can still sound detail-educated whenever I want, but I find HIGHLY amusing that a simple sentence can cause such discomfort - even with intention-indicating smileys - to certain representatives of a special market niche (or remember the deleted "silicone in Z" post?). FYI, the sentence was based on an odd experience when a car got permanent water staining - read: below surface etching, wearing a 3-day old triple layer Z2Pro/double Z8 protection after less than an hour sprinkler exposure. AFAIK, I'm not the only one who experienced similar things here. But to round up the picture, it may happen with lots of other products too.



What's with FK1? I thought that only the forum is down - but I don't know why they decided to shoot it down entirely. The products work absolutely fine for me thanks, or you can ask for example tdekany as he can monitor their durability the best. That's for smoke-blowin'.



"As fire when thrown into water is cooled down and put out, so also a false accusation when brought against a man of the purest and holiest character, boils over and is at once dissipated, and vanishes and threats of heaven and sea, himself standing unmoved." - Marcus Tullius Cicero



3fiddyz, just don't be afraid to use the RO again. As you stated, you've used a finishing pad. This combination alone (with the Z-AIO) can not, and will not instill buff marks into the paint, so it is most likely that your pad has picked up some grit from somewhere. So it was definitely not the fault of the machine/pad/product combo. Just pay a bit more attention to claen the surrounding areas, trim pieces, glass, etc. really well. The pad can touch these almost unnoticed and the dirt particles will do their unwelcome jobs.
 
guys i ended up using the FPII on a finishing pad and it cut through the Zaino like butter. I was really suprised how easy it was to get through the Zaino and remove the buff marks - in some areas i only needed one pass



i did the Z-AIO and 2 layers of Z2-Pro. Ill be layering a few more coats of Z2-Pro next wash and just top with my fav Swissol Concorso just for looks - getting ready for the wet months
 
3fiddyz said:
guys i ended up using the FPII on a finishing pad and it cut through the Zaino like butter. I was really suprised how easy it was to get through the Zaino and remove the buff marks - in some areas i only needed one pass



i did the Z-AIO and 2 layers of Z2-Pro. Ill be layering a few more coats of Z2-Pro next wash and just top with my fav Swissol Concorso just for looks - getting ready for the wet months
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Sounds good. I have never found a LSP that will withstand a product as mild as a paint cleanser or even a ultra-mild polish like FP. If these products can remove oxidation, no LSP will stands a chance.:xyxthumbs
 
I think I threw up my lunch with all these Zaino fan bois spewing out. Gross. One could argue you guys might have said just try ANY paint polish, or ANY AIO, but no, use Zaino "xx", Zaino "xx." Typical.
 
Nimble said:
I think I threw up my lunch with all these Zaino fan bois spewing out. Gross. One could argue you guys might have said just try ANY paint polish, or ANY AIO, but no, use Zaino "xx", Zaino "xx." Typical.
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Maybe if you read the whole thread, you would have not wasted your lunch? :nixweiss



blkZ28Conv said:
Any paint cleanser, you all ready have ZAIO, can be used by hand to removal any paint protectant including Z2PRO x ?.
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