how long till first detail?
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94BlkStang
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colche said:
Go for it. Factory paint is baked on and should be well cured.
Accumulator
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Yeah, factory paint is different from the stuff they use in bodyshops. You can detail it right away.
C. Charles Hahn
CCH Auto Appearance, LLC
It's factory paint. NOT detailing it right away is a disservice to the vehicle.
-- the answer i was looking for... thanks guysimported_mirrorfinishman
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colche said:
Hey Col,
Although you may think you got the answer you were looking for, it may not be the same answer that the paint manufacturers will tell you if you take the time to ask them.
Here are a few examples of the length of time to wait before using clay, paint cleaners or wax:
1- AKZO NOBEL INC - wait 30 days.
Their standard of waiting 30 days includes the AKZO NOBEL Sikkens, Lesonal and Utech automotive paint lines.
2- BASF - wait 60 to 90 days.
Their standard includes all paint lines.
3- Sherwin-Williams - wait 90 days.
Their standard of waiting 90 days includes all of their automotive paint lines.
4- Dupont - wait 90 to 120 days.
Their standard of waiting 90 to 120 days includes all of their automotive paint lines.
94BlkStang
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No confusion to be had. Those recommendations by paint manufacturers are for repaints with their system. Factory paint is a completely different system and your paint has cured long enough. If you're hesitant, then wait another 30 days, but it will only be for your peace of mind.
imported_mirrorfinishman
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Col,
Those recommendations I posted by paint manufacturers are for paints applied to a brand new car, not repaints.
Hey, why not go to the source and ask Mazda?
Here is some information that I found about the painting process now being used on Mazda vehicles. Interesting reading.
http://www.mazda.com/publicity/release/200207/0725e.html
Those recommendations I posted by paint manufacturers are for paints applied to a brand new car, not repaints.
Hey, why not go to the source and ask Mazda?
Here is some information that I found about the painting process now being used on Mazda vehicles. Interesting reading.
http://www.mazda.com/publicity/release/200207/0725e.html
togwt
The Old Grey Whistle Test
I'm going to agree to disagree on this one Frank...
Polish or Waxing New Vehicle:
â€Â¢New cars with OEM water based paint are cured at high temperatures, sometimes as high as 300 degrees in special baking ovens and can be waxed the moment it is rolled out of the manufacturing plant. New cars go through the painting and baking process without any of the rubber, plastic, and cloth components installed. This is why they can expose the cars paint to such high temperatures. These high temperatures and special paints used at the factory level ensure the paint is fully cured by the time the car leaves the assembly line.
â€Â¢Newly re- painted vehicle- How long do you have to wait before you can polish or wax a newly painted vehicle surface? Paint is formulated with solvents (30-80% dependant upon manufacturer) once applied paint needs to dry and the solvents need to evaporate (off-gassing) to enable the paint to harden (cure) if the paint is covered with a wax or sealant it will arrest the outgas/cure process.
â€Â¢One exception is the application of a glaze (Mezerna Final Polish II, 3Mâ„¢ Perfect-It IIIâ„¢ Show Car Finishing Glaze, Zanio Z-Polish) they are completely safe for fresh paint, as they allow the solvents to evaporate (off-gassing)
â€Â¢Abrasive polish should be avoided until the paint has cured but vehicle washing is encouraged (avoiding harsh detergents or any car wash that uses a high-pressure spray or a wash that contains wax. Also avoid using quick detailing sprays (QD) as they also contain wax)
I do not know of a single paint manufacture that recommends applying wax, or any type of paint protectant (sealant) on a repainted vehicle/panel until a minimum of 30 days has passed and sometimes longer (I would recommend this as a minimum period even if the paint has been oven-cured). Dupont standard is to wait 90 days if the vehicle is out in the elements and to wait 120 days if it is kept in a garage most of the time.
It could be argued that catalysed paints are cured chemically and there is no need to wait for 30 days, the manufacture knows their products best, seek their advice so as not to void any warranty given.
JonM
Polish or Waxing New Vehicle:
â€Â¢New cars with OEM water based paint are cured at high temperatures, sometimes as high as 300 degrees in special baking ovens and can be waxed the moment it is rolled out of the manufacturing plant. New cars go through the painting and baking process without any of the rubber, plastic, and cloth components installed. This is why they can expose the cars paint to such high temperatures. These high temperatures and special paints used at the factory level ensure the paint is fully cured by the time the car leaves the assembly line.
â€Â¢Newly re- painted vehicle- How long do you have to wait before you can polish or wax a newly painted vehicle surface? Paint is formulated with solvents (30-80% dependant upon manufacturer) once applied paint needs to dry and the solvents need to evaporate (off-gassing) to enable the paint to harden (cure) if the paint is covered with a wax or sealant it will arrest the outgas/cure process.
â€Â¢One exception is the application of a glaze (Mezerna Final Polish II, 3Mâ„¢ Perfect-It IIIâ„¢ Show Car Finishing Glaze, Zanio Z-Polish) they are completely safe for fresh paint, as they allow the solvents to evaporate (off-gassing)
â€Â¢Abrasive polish should be avoided until the paint has cured but vehicle washing is encouraged (avoiding harsh detergents or any car wash that uses a high-pressure spray or a wash that contains wax. Also avoid using quick detailing sprays (QD) as they also contain wax)
I do not know of a single paint manufacture that recommends applying wax, or any type of paint protectant (sealant) on a repainted vehicle/panel until a minimum of 30 days has passed and sometimes longer (I would recommend this as a minimum period even if the paint has been oven-cured). Dupont standard is to wait 90 days if the vehicle is out in the elements and to wait 120 days if it is kept in a garage most of the time.
It could be argued that catalysed paints are cured chemically and there is no need to wait for 30 days, the manufacture knows their products best, seek their advice so as not to void any warranty given.
JonM