How does the Ultima lineup compare to ZAIO, ZCS and Z9?

Steve, from my reading there is no "risk" involved as you can get your money back if you aren't happy with the results. It's interesting how results are differing for people using the same products.
 
Wow I never noticed that, I never would have thought DB would say that, strange.



Nevermind about the best thing then, but Sal came off as cocky to me in emails, had the attitude like he was on top of the car care industry period.



I dont know how I didn't notice that... Oh well!
 
Well, after skimming over the Ultima product line, I guess the first thing that comes to mind is the price tags. Nothing wrong with charging x amount of dollars for a product, providing you hit a home run with it, which would be monumental seeing how stiff the competition is in this market. Time will tell.
 
Cleaning Fool said:
Hmm, I guess Ive missed alot of things since I don't frequent the forums that much. The only Ultima Im familiar with is Nissan's.
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That would be Nissan Altima :P
 
Cleaning Fool said:
Well, after skimming over the Ultima product line, I guess the first thing that comes to mind is the price tags. Nothing wrong with charging x amount of dollars for a product, providing you hit a home run with it, which would be monumental seeing how stiff the competition is in this market. Time will tell.
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Id say its more of a ground rule double.
 
Let's stop and think about the brilliance behind what David B and Sal have done. Their marketing strategy, or "hype" as some have called it, has proven to be very effective. They have brought top notch, ground breaking products to market, and have presented their product line in a way that has created a "buzz" in the detail community. They have allowed respected members of this site to beta test their products for all to see. What a great way to create feedback as they tweek their formulas. That "buzz" peaks curiousity, thus drives sales. That "buzz" is further stoked by forums such as this one. They tug at our passions for detailing, and even our quest for the perfect shine. Now I don't know about you, but user friendly products that deliver results will always have a place in my arsenal. Remember......We live in a world that wants the very best in exchange for very little. We all want a 24oz. filet mignon for .99 cents. Paying $30-$50 for a bottle of product that will provide multiple applications over a few years time period is short money. People balk at the hefty price of Souveran. The jar I have now was bought 2 years ago, and on sale as well. I'll finish it up later this year. Even at full price, that averages out to about $23.33 per year. ZCS is cheaper than Souveran, as is OS and Ultima. If you detail for a living, be it full or part time, these new products pay for themselves the first or second time you use them. The features of these products directly benefit you and more importantly, your customers. They deliver results which in turn delivers you profit. Now stop and think about how much money it's taken both David B and Sal to bring their products to market? Suddenly, paying $30-$50 is pretty cheap!
 
BlkTac05 said:
They have allowed respected members of this site to beta test their products for all to see.
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Yes, there is a lots of buzz but I do not see that many C&Bs. I have not counted them but how many there really were? More than a dozen? Or less than that? Or less than half a dozen? More than two and less than six? Yes, some very respected members highly vouc for it and that does have it's weight but IMHO few posts here and there is not enough, that is not statistically valid sample, especially when some people that created very loud buzz and have been quoted as reference on manufacturer's Web site are now starting to post some negatives they experienced too.



So, I will use same approach here as I do everywhere else, which is "proof is in the pudding". And not in somebody else's pudding but in my pudding, I want to see it myself. So when it comes turn for my black MR-S to undergo pampering I plan for it one half will be treated with Ultima, other with Zaino.
 
ZoranC said:
Yespecially when some people that created very loud buzz and have been quoted as reference on manufacturer's Web site are now starting to post some negatives they experienced too.
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You mean Detailgirl eh, KGB eh, Lebowski oh I mean William H Bonney? He's ALL of them and I'm not too sure that I'd trust someone that is *that* anxious to post here that he continues to sign up even after being banned multiple times. Looks like an axe to grind to me.:idea
 
SpoiledMan said:
You mean Detailgirl eh, KGB eh, Lebowski oh I mean William H Bonney? He's ALL of them and I'm not too sure that I'd trust someone that is *that* anxious to post here that he continues to sign up even after being banned multiple times. Looks like an axe to grind to me.:idea
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Exactly, that's my point. That is why more reports before relying just on buzz are good things to have. When one out of very few pedals back outsiders that do not know who to trust scratch their head. When you have dozens one is just a bucket ... err ... drop in a bucket and if it is not valid it still does not pollute final result.



Also, if DavidB knew source might not have been reliable then he shouldn't have quoted that source as reference. It puts him in lose-lose situation no matter how things turn.



That is why I like seeing things by myself. If they turn out as advertised then great. And if they don't turn out as advertised I call you to see what I did wrong this time. :rofl



P.S. DetailGirl? :rofl
 
SpoiledMan said:
You mean Detailgirl eh, KGB eh, Lebowski oh I mean William H Bonney? He's ALL of them and I'm not too sure that I'd trust someone that is *that* anxious to post here that he continues to sign up even after being banned multiple times. Looks like an axe to grind to me.:idea
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You forgot Ozz! :LOLOL



So far, Ultima is working out very well for me. Time will tell on durability and whether or not it is worth the premium price over Opti-Seal for my purposes.
 
Someone on another forum applied some Ultima on a piece of tin foil and claims that it turned yellow within a couple weeks. I've never heard of any color shifting issues with Zaino.
 
wannafbody said:
Someone on another forum applied some Ultima on a piece of tin foil and claims that it turned yellow within a couple weeks. I've never heard of any color shifting issues with Zaino.
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Darn. I was going to treat my whole roll of tin foil with Ultima, but I don't want to discolor my anti-thought control hats.



Strangely enough, I've had Ultima on my silver WRX for several weeks, and it's still silver, no apparent yellowing.



Tort
 
wannafbody said:
Someone on another forum applied some Ultima on a piece of tin foil and claims that it turned yellow within a couple weeks. I've never heard of any color shifting issues with Zaino.
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Fortunately for Delorean owners their body is made of stainless steel and shouldn't be effected by such a problem. For the rest of us, our cars are coated with nice shiny paint.



:grinno:
 
wannafbody said:
Someone on another forum applied some Ultima on a piece of tin foil and claims that it turned yellow within a couple weeks. I've never heard of any color shifting issues with Zaino.
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Please give the 'optically clear' marketing jargon a rest.
 
Scottwax said:
Please give the 'optically clear' marketing jargon a rest.
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Great Idea, taken directly from the Ultima is Better Than Zaino page, " The coating is so fine, so optically clear, that a perfect shine is guaranteed to come through."



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Scottwax said:
You forgot Ozz! :LOLOL



So far, Ultima is working out very well for me. Time will tell on durability and whether or not it is worth the premium price over Opti-Seal for my purposes.
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I been around havent I!!! :LOLOL
 
NSXTASY said:
Great Idea, taken directly from the Ultima is Better Than Zaino page, " The coating is so fine, so optically clear, that a perfect shine is guaranteed to come through."



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I haven't seen any evidence that products that claim to be optically clear are any better visually than those that don't make the claim. Maybe 'different' but not necessarily 'better'.
 
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