hopefully my final high end Wax question(s)

Picus said:
Yes, I could tell. Sure, I could be biased. I own both, I paid more for Vintage. I'm almost positive if I've come off as anything in my 3 years here it's pretty objective. I've never posted a review, I've never pimped a product, I've always been forthright and honest about products when asked. If I thought something was as good for less money I'd say it. So far I haven't found it. Vintage looks good. It looks, to me, better than most stuff I've used. $1900 better? No. Does the entire package make it worth it to me? Absolutely. I've yet to come across a product that makes it as easy for me to clean a car. Combine that with the looks and the refills and it's worth it.



In terms of a business perspective - like anything it's all relative. I have a client with a GT3 RS and a 640GT *and* a GT2. That seems excessive to me, hell it probably seems like madness to a lot of people - to him it makes perfect sense. The cars are difference enough, and he has enough money, that it's worth it. It's like any hobby - I like speakers. Maybe some of you know this and maybe you don't; but speakers can be pretty pricey, and for every word we've written about waxes here on Autopia there are 100 miles of writing on which sets of speakers is the best, and just like waxes there is the consensus that once you reach a certain point, any improvement is going to cost you an exponential amount.



Lastly - for the guys who will inevitably preach about prep...yes, I get it. I'm almost positive most of you have seen me around here enough to know that I am not trying to sell something, or tell anyone that prep isn't what makes a detail.



Picus said:
:2thumbs: I know it wasn't. I would have asked the same thing before I spent a lot of time trying some of the EGs out. It's tough, because in the end it's all subjective. I mean Todd says P21S 100% looks as good or better than Vintage, and how can anyone say he is wrong, he has thousands of hours of experience under his belt.
Picus said:
For me Vintage is less about how good it looks and more about how easy it makes my life. I really can't quantify it unless I were to let you wash my car. At least in my experience so far, Vintage is what makes that easiest for me. With other products my car would get dirty (and yes, it gets pretty rank...shoemakers kids and all that), and it would look like a pit...and washing was, well, washing. With Vintage it almost always looks good, and come wash time it's noticeably easier. So ya, worth it for me, maybe not for others. :)



The important parts of this post are in bold. Well said, Picus.
 
Thanks for realizing it wasn't an attack, Picus. I appreciate that. I completely respect your opinion, along with Supe's and lbls1. I would love to be able to try Vintage to see how well it works, but like I said, with that price tag, it'll never happen. Oh well, a guy can dream can't he? Haha. Again, you made great points and I can I see where you're coming from. Cheers, buddy!!
 
Thanks guys, i think someday i will buy it however not now. I think the refills really get me.



Hopefully i stamped out the crap cars last summer. I finished up a jaguar the other day. I have a Range Rover coming today. All i can say is I CANT WAIT until i can do my 1st ferrari. haha
 
Same here. I may be doing a 360 Modena in the next few weeks...a guy just moved his collection to town, and they're in TERRIBLE condition. The collection also includes a Ford GT, a Series 1 Shelby, a Viper GTS and a couple more very nice cars.



baseballlover1 said:
Thanks guys, i think someday i will buy it however not now. I think the refills really get me.



Hopefully i stamped out the crap cars last summer. I finished up a jaguar the other day. I have a Range Rover coming today. All i can say is I CANT WAIT until i can do my 1st ferrari. haha
 
EisenHulk said:
Same here. I may be doing a 360 Modena in the next few weeks...a guy just moved his collection to town, and they're in TERRIBLE condition. The collection also includes a Ford GT, a Series 1 Shelby, a Viper GTS and a couple more very nice cars.



Congrats! I may also... a guy in town has a white 360. I am working on wprking on it. I also may be working on an aston martin soon. The bentley CGT is a little further away but i may be working on it soon.
 
Good luck, Daniel. When I saw the 360, it almost made me cringe. Not only was it completely covered in dust, but the sodium halide lights in his garage/warehouse showed so many defects, I would've sworn that it was washed with gravels! :bawling:



baseballlover1 said:
Congrats! I may also... a guy in town has a white 360. I am working on it. I also may be working on an aston martin soon. The bentley CGT is a little further away but i may be working on it soon.
 
As a Vintage owner here's what I'd use. A CR spotless system, PO85RD, RMG, and Souveran. Explain to the owner what you are doing and the products you are using to accomplish his goal. CR for a spotless wash, PO85RD to remove any swirls, defects, and prior products applied to the car. RMG for a fantastic gloss enhancer and PS as a top notch wax. Be sure he is satisfied with the results and you will have MANY repeat customers. Vintage is my favorite but not reasonable for your application at this time. ALL JMHO
 
DavidB said:
Hey n00b... what's with the tude? Perhapse when you have a 1,000 posts under your belt you can get away with being a smart a$$ and not get called on it. :rules:



First: I've been detailing for 18 years, hardly a "noob".



Second: What rule did I break?



Third: How can you infer "tude" from emotionless writing?



Fourth: Is writing a$$ within the rules?



Thanks. :nono
 
DavidB is pretty much the boss around here...I wouldn't press my luck if I were you.



Just my dos pesos.



User Name said:
First: I've been detailing for 18 years, hardly a "noob".



Second: What rule did I break?



Third: How can you infer "tude" from emotionless writing?



Fourth: Is writing a$$ within the rules?



Thanks. :nono
 
It wasn't about you agreeing or disgreeing with someone...it's the manner in which you did so. Look, I'm just a member...you want to complain to someone, do it to a mod or DavidB.



User Name said:
Okay... so I get the boot for disagreeing with someone's statement regarding an ability to see the difference with regards to two LSP's. LOL



Nice.
 
Picus said:
Like I said, for me Vintage is less about how good it looks and more about how it adds a little extra convenience to my life.



Hey Picus and SB, how does vintage make washing your car easier? Does it make dirt and debris rinse off easier? You still go over your car with a a wash mitt or sponge correct? The only reason I am asking, is that I have never noticed something not washing off my car fairly easy.
 
Picus said:
It like my scissor lift; sure, I could detail cars without it; I did for a long time before I got it, but it really does make my life easier so to me it is worth it. Which reminds me, scissor lifts rock. :)



What type of sissor lift do you have?
 
User Name said:
Okay... so I get the boot for disagreeing with someone's statement regarding an ability to see the difference with regards to two LSP's. LOL



Nice.



There is a difference between saying, "I disagree with you" and making a snide remark that implies the person you are disagreeing with is a fool. I am not even going to get into who has more experience here; when you want to disagree with someone on this forum just try to show them some respect.



Thanks.
 
bert31 said:
Hey Picus and SB, how does vintage make washing your car easier? Does it make dirt and debris rinse off easier? You still go over your car with a a wash mitt or sponge correct? The only reason I am asking, is that I have never noticed something not washing off my car fairly easy.



SB has written a ton on this but I'll see if I can break it down from my point of view. I don't get to wash my car as often as I'd like, normally it doesn't get too filthy, but between rain and driving ~50-100km a day it does get it's share of grime, bugs, potential waterspots, etc... with Vintage I find it is easier to remove dirt/grime/bugs/etc, I also tend to get less waterspotting, and when it comes time to dry I am able to dry the car very easily, usually without touching it.



I do still go over my car with a mitt most of the time. My wash process tends to be foam lance, let dwell, mitt in a bucket as normal, pressure wash, leafblower. If the car is just dirty from rain I will skip the mitt and not touch it at all. So ya, I've tried a lot of LSPs and I just find Vintage tends to make washing a little easier.



It's not all peachy - I still find Vintage to be finicky in warm weather, and rather difficult to remove. The fact that it really does need a wipedown a few hours later makes it irritating sometimes; but even so I still use it because in the end it saves me time.



bert31 said:
What type of sissor lift do you have?



Standard Ind & Auto Eq, Inc. :: Lifts :: Mid Rise Lifts :: Rotary Auto Lift (6,000lbs.-Capacity Mid-Rise Portable)



Probably the best ~$1900 I've spent. My back absolutely loves it. :)
 
User Name said:
Okay... so I get the boot for disagreeing with someone's statement regarding an ability to see the difference with regards to two LSP's. LOL



Nice.



I think it's just the way you retort to some statements and how you carry yourself in our forums. Just try to be a little more respectful please. Thanks.
 
I'm not complaining, I still don't see the problem with the post, which I stand by.



Here is how I see it... there is a segment of the population (and probably a higher than average number on this particular forum) that will say something is great, simply because it costs more. Face it, this is the society we live in.



Sometimes it is justified, most times it isn't.



The detailing world is just like womens cosmetics. Many wrongly think $$$ equals quality, when in fact it means no such thing. Certainly there are some high end products which are quite good, but if you're telling me that telling a young kid to go out and spend 2g's on a wax, when he can buy 100 tubs of another then you're just plain wrong (because I'll be you if I took 50 from this board and compared Vintage to P21's 100% Carnuba, it split pretty close to even on which was which). That is not even to say who will say which one is better (my thinking is most would probably pick the P21's, but that is neither here nor there.



The guys telling the kid to go out and get some equipment or supplies are doing him a favor, the fairy tale about "oh I can tell the difference" is just fantasy.
 
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