Holograms?

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silvercookie

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Yesterday i did a quick wash/claybar/buff/wax on my moms 06 subaru outback.



i used meguiars cleaner wax on the buffer just to get the water spots out cause it sat in the rain for a couple days.



nothing serious, just 1 or 2 quick passes.



after i wiped it all down, i threw some meguiars gold class wax on, then finished up with meguiars quick detailer spray, the one in the black bottle.



up until i sprayed the quick detailer it looked perfect, but as soon as i went around the car with the quick detailer, a load of holograms popped out.



is there a easy way to fix this? is my best bet to buy a orbital and re-buff everything.
 
let the car sit inside for a few to let the wax "offgas" then go over the car again with a really thick fluffy mf and buff it, it just sounds like the wax is streaking and making it look like holo's.
 
If worse comes to worst, you might have to redo the cleaner wax. At least you're not dealing with *real* holograms!



I've had stuff like that happen with various LSP/QD combos. Often/usually best to wait a while before you spritz QD on fresh wax unless you're *certain* that it'll work OK.
 
It sounds like oils from one of the products are creating holograms. Try using Ice cold water as a quick detailer. It should remove the oils.
 
im going to go try to wipe it down again with just a mf towel to see what happens.



then i will try the ice water.



it was a old non-orbital from the 70's lol. the rpm was probably around 800 rpm.



it was a microfiber slip-on i bought at the local store.
 
actually i had used a wool slip on.



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And what products did you use all together?

When you mentioned buff/wax, did you buff(polish) with the wax, on that pad/polisher in the photo?

Also, what is the name of the Meguiar's quick detail spray you used last?



Not to criticize your skill or anything as it's possible for everyone to do, but to me it sounds like you might have introduced holograms with your polishing work, hid it with the wax and revealed with later. That or mixed 2-3 chemicals together that didn't want to be mixed at the time. I would still assume there are some holograms from the polishing process itself considering it was a rotary and wool pad.
 
here is what i did. i had a feeling that i caused the holograms with the buffer.





Washed with Dawn dish soap to strip it from the carwash wax and heavy grime.

used a microfiber was mitten.



Claybar'd using meguiars clay and meguiars ultimate quick detailer as lube.

rinsed the car down for a few minutes.



Used Meguiars Cleaner wax on the rotary for 1 pass to get all the water spots out.



wiped down with a MF towel to get all the remains and dust etc off.



used meguiars gold class wax on the gold meguiars foam applicator pad that comes with it.



wiped down the car again. waited a few min while i was cleaning the stuff up, then went around with the Ultimate quick detailer and a MF towel.



as soon as i fix my bumper im going to look into a porter cable package from detailersdomain.
 
silvercookie said:
here is what i did. i had a feeling that i caused the holograms with the buffer.





Washed with Dawn dish soap to strip it from the carwash wax and heavy grime.

used a microfiber was mitten.



Claybar'd using meguiars clay and meguiars ultimate quick detailer as lube.

rinsed the car down for a few minutes.



Used Meguiars Cleaner wax on the rotary for 1 pass to get all the water spots out.



wiped down with a MF towel to get all the remains and dust etc off.



used meguiars gold class wax on the gold meguiars foam applicator pad that comes with it.



wiped down the car again. waited a few min while i was cleaning the stuff up, then went around with the Ultimate quick detailer and a MF towel.



as soon as i fix my bumper im going to look into a porter cable package from detailersdomain.
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Here's how I'd start diagnosing the exact issue. Dilute 70-90% isopropyl alcohol 50/50 with some water. Tape off a 1footx2foot section where holograms are easily visible. Wipe down that section with the solution you just made. Then go ahead and use clay on the area but try and do it with soapy water... maybe 1-2oz. of car wash solution mixed in a 32oz. bottle with water. Wipe down with the 50/50 mix again.



If you still see holograms, they're most likely from the rotary buffer. If you don't see ANY, you used too many products too quickly or in a wrong way and you'll need to revise your plan of attack with this.



I would also say keep the Meg's UQD for final wiping of the paint to enhance the gloss, and use a different clay lube. I'd also recommend polishing with a proper pad and polish, as cleaner wax as polish isn't a great idea, especially when used with a wool pad.



Hope that helps.
 
silvercookie- Ah...that explains it. Unless you're a top-shelf Rotary-Meister, trying to use that thing with the cleaner wax will result in (true) holograms and that wool pad will almost certainly cause 'em anyhow.. This might be a bit of a PIA to correct.



You'll be much happier with a machine like the PC. Get some medium-strength polish to help take out the holograms. Maybe Scratch-X v2.0 or something like that. Consider getting a small backing plate and 4" pads; people often buy PCs with ~6" pads only to find that those pads are *MUCH* too big for effective use with that machine.



Barry Theil- Yeah, that cold water spritz is one of those old-school tricks that works great with waxes :xyxthumbs



An Accumulator-proof alternative is chilled Griot's SpeedShine; I've *never* had any issues with that stuff.



With sealants, FK425 is a great choice (but I've had problems using it this way on waxes).
 
well, i let it sit over night and ten i went out and wiped it down with a mf towel a few times. didnt work.



i tried the ice water thing, didnt work.



looks like im just going to bring it to a local guy to get it fixed.

it needs some clear coat correction anyway.
 
silvercookie- You really can buy a PC/etc. (especially a used one) cheaper than you'll find a *competent* detailer. Anybody who'll do the vehicle cheaper than that is almost certainly too good to be true. Beware the $100 "detail" (scare-quotes intentional).
 
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