Holograms....where did i go wrong??

SpoiledMan said:
Probably with the water. I never use water as an additional lube unless it's in the compounding stage. 106ff will do fine on it's own. It also could have been in the amount of product used, how fast your hand movements were as well. *I* also don't subscribe to the various speeds while using the rotary or buffing at 600 RPM. It's just too slow to work the product. I usually run the CCS green(AG) somewhere from 1100 to 1500 depending on the surface.
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I agree.. the water acts as an abrasive. You shouldnt really need anything to keep the pad from drying up. If it becomes caked, just clean it, or switch to a new one. Also, I move about 1-2" per second. I dont think you may have worked in the 1066ff to it's final potential. It probably need to be broken down more.
 
Hi Mr Glym



I use 106FF with an LC black pad and move at 1 to 2 inches per second

Start at 600 rpm for one group of left to right passes, then 1000 for another, up to 1400 for two passes and then back down to 800 to finish it absolutely perfect



It most likely hologrammed because you worked it too long or your speeds were not sufficient to break it down 100%

And water will affect the abrasives. I use aussie gold showroom glaze (worlds best QD/Sealant spray) on my pads as it gives extra gloss to the finish and won't affect the buffing)



Hey holograms happen to the best of us but as long as you stop a little after the polish goes clear and your working it at 800 to 900 rpm, it should be gold mate



Since I do three to five steps on most cars, I always finish down with LC black with FF and use blue with showroom glaze & driven quick spray for more brightness and lustre
 
MrGlym, one little thing to add: it seems that you are reading the English forums as well, where the "pass" is interpreted differently than here. Here we mean a complete polishing , from application to removal as "one pass". Ye Olde English equivalent of our "pass" is "hit" and pass means one coverage of a given work area (for example once horizontally).



I think that the "hit & pass" description is a bit more exact and understandable while the Autopian meaning of "pass" adds confusion, especially to the newbies.
 
hehe..thks Bence. Sorry abt the confusion. Guess I'm a retard at 1am last ngt :p Nah..I don't hang around the English forums just here cos it's here that I learn the most from :)



ok..I slap on LC white this morning with 106FF and did 1hit at 600rpm then 2hits at 1200-1400rpm and a final hit at 800-900rpm for a smooth (I think) finish down. All moving at 1"-2" per second. Looks great with the halogen lights turned on (after buffing it off with MF) but unfortunately it's been raining the whole day today to really check for holograms. So judgement day's tomorrow (fingers crossed).



My pad seems to last longer now that i don't mist it with water when using the 106FF or the other Menz FF. Doesn't even cake up now unlike before. So much extended working time without feeling the "drag". Doing what I did I certainly hope I've broken down 100% of the 106FF.



If there's no holograms tomorrow I was thinking of applying JW Prime Strong by hand and the AJT. Wait an hr. before applying Optimum Opti Seal. But if halos still persist I'll whip out the LC Black and start all over again (sigh...).



Hi SVR...I'll second U on that Aussie Gold SHowrm Glaze :p. Anyway thanks a million for the tips fellas (U guys r TOPS) Hope this thread will help out others who are having the same problems as me.
 
If you have holograms, the Prime Strong may be able to remove those for you. It's always worth a shot!



Also, to be honest. I would wait 12hrs MINIMUM to apply Opti-Seal on top of AJT.
 
stiffdogg..do u mean applying Prime Strong by hand with an applicator pad will also solve my holograms? Or what what pad have you tried with rotary with Prime Strg?



If my memory serves me correct I remembered I did try Prime Strong with 3M Black Pad and it didn't remove the holograms. But I did mist the pad though when using Prime Strng. Don't tell me the water is a no no thing again..hehe.
 
Water is just diluting the polish. Doing this, the basic balance of the polish is disturbed and the abrasives can reach the surface more directly. By spritzing the pad with water you increase the cutting ability of the polish. If you still want to lubricate a pad, use a slicker QD or more polish initially.
 
Barry of Aussie Gold is a top dude and I've got five more litres coming and I am also looking at buying 200 litres of it



Aquawax and FC&S are right there with Showroom on the QD/Sealant area but to be able to use it on other surfaces and even buff it on by machine, gives Aussie the thumbs up
 
yippie!! no holograms and the owner was pretty impressed. Paid me for all 3 cars (Ferrari 355, VW Touareg and Porsche 911 Carrera) I detailed without hesitation.



Optimum Poli seal, Menz 106FF sure doesn't need any mist of water on the pads while working as they have their own "lubrication" but Prime Strong on the other hand dries up fast even on my the LC Blue pads. That's why I tend to mist the pad slightly with water. Hhmm..maybe I shouldn't eh but it would be a pain to wipe off after. That's why I use Optimum OptiSeal on my lazy days :p



How would anyone of you apply any of JW Primes?



200 Litres!! SVR, u can do the whole of Southern Hemisphere :p Living in Oz, we are blessed to have Aussie Gold Showrm Glaze, SVR :p Also no worries about having to pay for hefty freight and handling charges from the States :)
 
yippie!! no holograms and the owner was pretty impressed. Paid me for all 3 cars (Ferrari 355, VW Touareg and Porsche 911 Carrera) I detailed without hesitation.



Optimum Poli seal, Menz 106FF sure doesn't need any mist of water on the pads while working as they have their own "lubrication" but Prime Strong on the other hand dries up fast even on my the LC Blue pads. That's why I tend to mist the pad slightly with water. Hhmm..maybe I shouldn't eh but it would be a pain to wipe off after. That's why I use Optimum OptiSeal on my lazy days :p



How would anyone of you apply any of JW Primes?



200 Litres!! SVR, u can do the whole of Southern Hemisphere :p Living in Oz, we are blessed to have Aussie Gold Showrm Glaze, SVR :p Also no worries about having to pay for hefty freight and handling charges from the States :)
 
It sure is a blessing. It's one product that our american friends don't.

We don't have much top aussie made detail products so it is nice to have a product that excels.



Have you ever tried it by machine mr Glym
 
no, SVR i haven't tried Showrm Glaze by machine..mosty by hand. Haven't tried it either as substitute for water on the pads. Will definitely give these a go.



By the way when U apply JW Primes do you mist your pads with water or just as it is? What pads do you normally use to apply JW Primes? Does applying JW Primes removes holograms like some say?
 
By machine I have to mist them with something as its a very dry product

By hand it just goes straight on with a dry pad



I don't know about removing holograms but on some cars it gives such reflection clarity that you can see everything like your bathroom mirror
 
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