High Dollar Waxes?

Opti-Coat is a coating, not a wax or sealant. Opti-Coat will outlast any wax or sealant IF applied correctly. Wether that is good or bad is a matter of personal preference. :welcome: Welcome to AF!

Yes, this is my understanding. What I'm not understanding is why all of these waxes continue to be used if Opti-coat is indeed a good product. I was using Zaino on my daily driver BMW M5 and got sick of having to keep reapplying. I recently Opti-coated and have been very happy so far. I plan to use it on my wife's car as well.

So why would everyone not use it, at least for daily drivers? The only reasons I can think of are repeat business for detailers and maybe some people think the waxes have better optical properties or something? I love how all I have to do is wash my car now and the rims are so much easier to clean, particularly with my dusty OEM brake pads I want to swap out for something less dusty.
 
Yes, this is my understanding. What I'm not understanding is why all of these waxes continue to be used if Opti-coat is indeed a good product. I was using Zaino on my daily driver BMW M5 and got sick of having to keep reapplying. I recently Opti-coated and have been very happy so far. I plan to use it on my wife's car as well.

So why would everyone not use it, at least for daily drivers? The only reasons I can think of are repeat business for detailers and maybe some people think the waxes have better optical properties or something? I love how all I have to do is wash my car now and the rims are so much easier to clean, particularly with my dusty OEM brake pads I want to swap out for something less dusty.

If you like to detail your own cars, you will find life with OptiCoat kinda Blah. If you don't like to, it should be great.
 
Yep. Although GTechniq has me intrigued, but not enough to make me give up sealing and waxing my car for 1-2 years.

You could use it over the winter and polish it off over the spring. I kind of thought of doing that with Hard Body and still may. Knowing my luck, it either won't last through the winter, or I won't be able to get it off in the spring.

I OptiCoated one of my vehicles. It lasted for 5 months. I'm still not 100% sure of what went wrong.
 
You could use it over the winter and polish it off over the spring. I kind of thought of doing that with Hard Body and still may. Knowing my luck, it either won't last through the winter, or I won't be able to get it off in the spring.

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that might make sense for me if I still lived up north
 
If you like to detail your own cars, you will find life with OptiCoat kinda Blah. If you don't like to, it should be great.

I just want my car to look good. I don't mind some work, but spending 8+ hours in a day on my "day off" becomes more work than fun. As a daily driver that sits outside since I don't have a garage at my current home, I determined it was too much effort to do multi step processes at least twice a year for a car that takes so much environmental abuse.

What do you mean by blah? You actually enjoy the work, or it turns out better with temporary products?
 
Yep. Although GTechniq has me intrigued, but not enough to make me give up sealing and waxing my car for 1-2 years.

Definitely would like a more permanent sealant on the rims for sure though. But I love wax too much to add Opti-coat :D
 
I just want my car to look good. I don't mind some work, but spending 8+ hours in a day on my "day off" becomes more work than fun. As a daily driver that sits outside since I don't have a garage at my current home, I determined it was too much effort to do multi step processes at least twice a year for a car that takes so much environmental abuse.

What do you mean by blah? You actually enjoy the work, or it turns out better with temporary products?

I think most here are crazy like me and really enjoy detailing a car all day. Then marring it up by feeling how soft and smooth you made the paint:rockon
 
I just want my car to look good. I don't mind some work, but spending 8+ hours in a day on my "day off" becomes more work than fun. As a daily driver that sits outside since I don't have a garage at my current home, I determined it was too much effort to do multi step processes at least twice a year for a car that takes so much environmental abuse.

What do you mean by blah? You actually enjoy the work, or it turns out better with temporary products?

Two reasons I'm not crazy about coatings:

1. I think it turns out better with temporary products, or different may be a better description. Some waxes, sealants, glazes, can add a different look to your paint. Some add gloss, some depth, sometimes just a look that can't be described.

I totally understand not wanting to spend a lot of time detailing and want the best results for the invested time. But for a lot of us, trying out new LSPs is interesting and a high point of detailing.

Like now I'm looking forward to layering Dodos Blue Velvet Pro under Purple Haze Pro over Black Hole to try and get a darkening effect on my light blue SUV. Now I have Naviwax Ultimate which is very glossy. Eventually looking forward to trying Black Ice over BFWD.

Maybe because I get a lot of days off and hate having nothing to do. I don't know. Coatings also make you forgo the ability of polishing your car with a finishing polish every 6 months or so to make your finish look its best.

Of course you could reapply the coating, or try not to (guess not to) polish through it, but you never know. I just think a car looks best with a fresh coat of a good carnauba wax and maintenance done to the paint twice or year or so.

Of course, coatings have a lot of benefits. They (supposedly) mar less and release dirt better. You only have to apply them once every few years.


2. Really the main reason I'm not crazy about coatings is that your never 100% sure they are still there protecting the paint. Car wash shampoo, waterless washes, rinseless washes, quick detailers, and spray waxes all can cause water to bead on a surface. Who's to say your coating is still in place? With a wax you re-apply it periodically. With a coating, who knows when its gone - unless your going to limit yourself to products that cause no beading. But even if you wanted to do that, how would you know what causes beading and what doesn't?

That's exactly what happened to me. When OptiCoat first came out I gave it a try. I did all the prep by the book, including several strait IPA wipedowns. Since it was OptiCoat, I wasn't worried about any "toppers" messing with the coating.

So I topped it with spray waxes and quick detailers every time I washed, about once a week. I used gloss enhancing shampoos and rinseless washes with carnauba. The water beaded well. Then one day, I decided I wanted to try topping it with a paste wax. This was about 6 months in. So, I washed it with a stripping shampoo and did an IPA wipedown, and guess what? All the beading was gone. The OptiCoat vanished.

I rewashed it and clayed it, still no beading. The best I could tell, the coating vanished. Why? Who knows? When? Who knows? Maybe the car was beading all the time from spray waxes and quick detailers. Who knows? You can call me crazy, but I'm not the only person whose coating "disappeared" extremely prematurely.

I'm not saying these products don't work. I'm saying they usually work, but for whatever reason sometimes they don't last. I'd rather just stuck with products that work 100% of the time, then to have to worry about and deal with that again. When I apply a wax or sealant I know what to expect, and about how long it will last. No surprises or disappointments.

Oddly enough, the Opticoat on the wheels of both my vehicles seems to be holding up great. The wheels bead and sheet water just like OptiCoat should. They are easy to clean and dirt doesn't stick to them. But the wheels don't see quick detailers or spray waxes. If the OC goes away, I likely would be able to tell.

A lot of other coatings want you to use their special shampoo and their "maintenance spray wax" or "coating repair" product. That limits the products you can use and you never really know if the beading is from the coating or from their maintenance spray wax product.

IMO if the coatings are so tough, you should be able to wash your car with strait APC and it shouldn't matter. If you have to "maintain" the coating with special soaps and spray waxes, you may as well just use a conventional LSP and whatever maintenance products you like.
 
The local high end detailer told me not to put products on top of Opti-coat because it is hydrophobic and the products don't look right because they don't apply properly. I wonder if some product you put on the Opti-coat kept the water from beading. You didn't put products on the wheels and didn't have problems.
 
The local high end detailer told me not to put products on top of Opti-coat because it is hydrophobic and the products don't look right because they don't apply properly. I wonder if some product you put on the Opti-coat kept the water from beading. You didn't put products on the wheels and didn't have problems.

I didn't have an issue until I took everything off the OC. I went by what Optimum said, that OC becomes a functional part of the clear coat and you can put whatever you want on it, it just won't stick. The "not sticking" wasn't the problem, the problem was when I chemically stripped the surface (Chemical Guys Citrus Red and Griots Paint Prep) there wasn't a bead in sight. I followed all the guidelines about letting it cure for a month, this was at least 6-8 months in.

So, my pint kind of is, unless you just like to wash and dry your car with some type of non beading product, your never 100% sure that any coating is still protecting your car - since beads are pretty much all you have to go on that its still there.

I'm not saying the product is no good, I'm just saying it may not be for people who enjoy detailing or tinkering with their paint. I'm not sure what happened to the OC. I thought the stuff was supposed to be bullet proof (except for polishing with abrasives) and no chemicals would harm it, so I topped it with all types of stuff.

I guess the classic response is I must have screwed something up with the application. Maybe. But since Optimum provides no prep product that I know of (besides abrasive polishes) I followed their advice and did several IPA wipedowns and immediately applied the coating. I used a normal amount (about 8ccs if I recall).

That is the same procedure I followed with the wheels, where it seems to still be holding fine. The odd thing is the wheels are cleaned with wheel cleaner (surfactant based product) which should be stronger than anything the paint sees.
 
Yes, this is my understanding. What I'm not understanding is why all of these waxes continue to be used if Opti-coat is indeed a good product. I was using Zaino on my daily driver BMW M5 and got sick of having to keep reapplying. I recently Opti-coated and have been very happy so far. I plan to use it on my wife's car as well.

So why would everyone not use it, at least for daily drivers? The only reasons I can think of are repeat business for detailers and maybe some people think the waxes have better optical properties or something? I love how all I have to do is wash my car now and the rims are so much easier to clean, particularly with my dusty OEM brake pads I want to swap out for something less dusty.

If you like to detail your own cars, you will find life with OptiCoat kinda Blah. If you don't like to, it should be great.


Detailing is my main hobby at this point in my life. I LOVE to wax my vehicles! I enjoy the feel and smell of a nice wax or sealant. I also really enjoy trying to see the differences in appearance, slickness, dust attraction, etc. amongst LSP's. A coating is probably not for me at this time but I wouldn't mind testing one on someone elses vehicle. Swanic is right on
 
I see, you guys enjoy the process. I used to enjoy having the shiniest shoes at West Point. After I left the Army, I kind of list interest after a while. I used to think Zaino was the end all be all when I was a complete noob at detailing. Now I have a bunch of their product I don't even need anymore!

As for the water beading and Opti-coat, I have always used the water beading to judge when it was time to reapply product. Is that not sound judgement? Shouldn't the same reasoning apply to any product, whether the timeframe is a few months or a few years?
 
half of this car was done w natty's blue, the other half was done with swisswax smagard












worth the $275.00 price difference??
 
If you cant polish then buy the new flex 3401 and watch the you tube demo that Mike does. Auto paint rejuvenation is NOT simple. I have been at it for decades....its a challenge! So meet it head on. 90 percent of the cars I do are BLACK. Thats a challenge. You can learn if you stick to it and arent afraid of putting the real labor in.
 
half of this car was done w natty's blue, the other half was done with swisswax smagard












worth the $275.00 price difference??

The difference may be how long it lasts. I have never tried Swissvax (can't they just call it Swisswax for overseas?). But, I hear you can get a good 6 months out of it. Even longer for the wax they advertise with "PTFE" (Shield). I'm not convinced Teflon is doing much in that wax, but a lot of people do say it holds up.

The prices of it are crazy though, but someone is buying it. For my money, I've had very good results with Fuzion and Souverän, and I apply monthly anyway. I've been close to pulling the Swissvax trigger many times, as a lot of users say its worth it.

Its refreshing to see someone say its just a regular wax. It makes me wonder if some of the others are being 100% honest with themselves, or are buying into the idea that "its expensive, do it must be better".
 
half of this car was done w natty's blue, the other half was done with swisswax smagard






worth the $275.00 price difference??

Easy peasy, this is a no brainer, Swissvax is on the .....hmmmmm...eenie minie moe.......rock, paper, scissor......(sweat forming on brow)....I'll get back to you on this one...
 
The difference may be how long it lasts. I have never tried Swissvax (can't they just call it Swisswax for overseas?). But, I hear you can get a good 6 months out of it. Even longer for the wax they advertise with "PTFE" (Shield). I'm not convinced Teflon is doing much in that wax, but a lot of people do say it holds up.

The prices of it are crazy though, but someone is buying it. For my money, I've had very good results with Fuzion and Souverän, and I apply monthly anyway. I've been close to pulling the Swissvax trigger many times, as a lot of users say its worth it.

Its refreshing to see someone say its just a regular wax. It makes me wonder if some of the others are being 100% honest with themselves, or are buying into the idea that "its expensive, do it must be better".

Agreed. :bigups
 
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