Help with brand new off-the-truck car detail

Think about what will happen if you get it home and remove the plastic and find a big scratch or dent. The dealer has no responsibility after you take delivery and you will be stuck with the repair. Let him do his prep, just tell him to keep it to a minimum. If I was a dealer, I wouldn't let you have a car that I didn't prep and inspect so that I know the condition at delivery. Just my two cents.
 
BlueBoxer1- This must be sorta confusing, you're getting conflicting advice. Heh heh, and I'll probably add to that confusion :o And I'll admit that I take new-car delivery to extremes because I want a truly undamaged new car. Long-winded $0.02 follows:



IIRC, four of the last six times I let a dealer remove the plastic (one Audi, two Subarus, one Mazda), they messed up the paint in the process- at least one deep scratch, too deep to be removed and enough general marring that I had to do a full polish. No, I didn't refuse delivery in those cases, but I sure thought about it and pointed out the damage which they initially tried to shrug off. If you let them take off the plastic, let alone wash it, you can almost bet your life that they'll mar the paint. How badly? :nixweiss But they *will* mess it up.



FWIW my Porsche/Audi dealer (Stoddard Imports, a *good* dealership) insists that the next time I buy a new vehicle from them I take it "in the wrapper". They readily admit that their guys can't unwrap/clean it without messing it up according to my standards. And yeah, if I found damage they'd take me at my word and take the car back. But dealers who'll treat you that well are pretty rare.



I've removed the plastic on quite a few new cars,it's my general MO for taking delivery (yeah, you can drive them home with it on and no it doesn't flap around- if it's that loose just peel it off before you go). In *one* case (a '95 Cadillac) there was paint damage under the plastic and it was a horrible experience trying to get satisfaction (terrible dealership), so yeah, that bit that STG mentioned about wanting to know about problems has its points. But honestly, on a Subie, I'd take my chances with that risk and yeah I'd drive it home with the plastic still on it.



Other option, if you don't mind getting some weird looks, is to do what Bill D did with his Mom's Benz- he unwrapped and washed it at the dealership with his stuff (see below).



The best thing for removing the wrapper's residue is New Car Prep from Automotive International - Valugard Product Line. It's a vehicle-safe (won't mess up anything) solvent. Sometimes the residue and be very tenacious and having the right stuff can make a tough easy. I'd rather use a solvent than clay aggressively.



FWIW I also always use AutoInt's decontamination system on my new vehicles, but that's a bit of a job and I understand that many people won't want to bother with it. I clay while the acidic step is dwelling but then I'm a bit paranoid about rust blooms from ferrous contamination.



I'd plan on using the paint cleaner if you don't decontaminate. Be careful with the clay so you don't mar the paint.



Otherwise your proposed regimen (as in your last post) looks good. You just don't know what it'll need until you see it.



I'd have some kind of understanding in place with the dealer. If they prep it (at all) and mess it up, what's the fallout gonna be? If you prep it and find damage, what's gonna happen then? Give it thought and *get it in writing* no matter how much of a hassle it appears to be at the time. Yeah, I've refused delivery before and I'm glad I did.



LSPs: I like to get numerous layers of LSP on a vehicle, but you don't need to do it all at once. You can add another after each wash for a while.



Garage floors...painting a dirty floor is problematic and involves acid-etching and lots of prep work. We've discussed it in depth in a few threads, probably worth the dreaded search. My previous shop had an unsealed/unpainted concrete floor (sections of which dated back to the '30s and those areas were sure dirty) but it wan't a problem. But some concrete floors dust/etc. more than others. Maybe you can get by with it as it is, maybe you can't.
 
DodgeRacer said:
Think about what will happen if you get it home and remove the plastic and find a big scratch or dent. The dealer has no responsibility after you take delivery and you will be stuck with the repair. Let him do his prep, just tell him to keep it to a minimum. If I was a dealer, I wouldn't let you have a car that I didn't prep and inspect so that I know the condition at delivery. Just my two cents.

Ditto that...
 
Thanks for the long advice Accumulator, some good new stuff in there. When you say AutoInt's "decontamination" system do you mean their A-B-C Car Wash with the acid, alkaline, and neutral steps? I'll probably order some of that New Car prep stuff too, looks good.



Here is the email I received from my dealer about their prep process. Let me know if if it makes a difference on the advice you guys have given. Seems like they are pretty conscientious detailers. He told me earlier they spend 6 hours on it. Are any of you familiar with their solvent product?



"All of the products they use are from a company called Resistall. They do not know what the actual chemicals in the products are. The chemical they use to get the glue residual off smells a bit like acetone or lighter fluid. Also they use a fallout remover to remove any fallout that is on the non covered part of the car. Also sometimes they use what they call a clay to remove any hard to get off stuff. Then they wash the car with a mild soap and shammy it. Following this it is waxed. I have used various cleaning products to remove the glue residual. Window cleaner works with lots of elbow grease. So does 409 type cleaners. However it is most easily removed using a solvent type cleaner."



A couple additional questions came up today when I was talking to a Hardware store guy about solvents. He said that a new car's paint should not be waxed for at least 30 days because the paint is still curing. What do ya'll think about that? His advice was to let the adhesive sit on there until 30 days had gone by because the paint would cure faster than the ahesive and then I could still get the adhesive residue off with less removal of the clear coat. Pretty nifty idea I hadn't thought about. What do ya'll think?



And thanks alot for the advice, you can tell I'm leaning toward taking it home with plastic. My dealer is the best there is, and they'll probably let me take it home for a couple days just to make sure I like it anyways.
 
Interesting these "fallout removal" products (the A-B-C system is one). Are they better than claying or polishing, or about the same?
 
BlueBoxer1, it's not what products the dealer uses, it's whether their knowledge, technique, and "hygiene" is up to par. The personnel doing the new car prep tend to be the lowest paid, least trained, and worst equipped employees at the dealer (one step above the people that clean the bathrooms and mop the floors), as stupid as that sounds. Perhaps yours is the one-in-one hundred dealer that actually has a clue about paint care, and flows that down to the prep employees.



As far as the paint cure, factory paint is baked at high temp and is fully cured before it leaves the factory. Listen to Accumulator rather than the hardware store guy, and if you're going to get a solvent, use the AutoInt or similar product.
 
tdekany said:
David I hate to type this but that is the worst, most UN autopian advise I have ever read on this site. :soscared: :soscared: :wall :wall :wall





How in the hell do you think people get cobwebs/swirls on their car? 99% of the time during washing. :wall





Your post deserves to be framed and made a sticky. :hairpull



The cobwebs and swirls will be put on his car by ONE carwash at the dealer? LOL...I think not. So according to you, since all swirls and cobwebs occur during washing, I would, according to you, never wash my car again. Lighten up, its ONE (1) wash. :wavey
 
Ben Kenobi said:
You've got the steps down right I'd say. I'm pushing for having the plastic left on when I get my next car, not sure if I'd take it off before driving home.



David - What the heck? Just when I think I've read everything about what not to do to a vehicle I read your post. Thomas summed it up pretty well. I think I'll frame that just to remind me of what never to do. Maybe your Bronco's paint looks good but paint in 1987 is a lot different than todays. If he can save himself some effort and a lot of potential heartache why let them touch it. I've seen what they do at the dealers in my area and boy do their new and used cars look bad. :soscared:





I hate to differ, but i've seen many new cars, delivered with NO swirls.. my girlfriend's black nissan frontier and my brothers black wrangler just recently. Dealer prepped and completely swirl free. Yes of course, dealers can do a number on vehicles, for sure. I was just saying not to worry about it if he decided to let the dealer wash the car. He could absolutely make it look perfect with minimal effort. :nixweiss But judging from the responses to my post, obviously at this site, that is a minority opinion... ok um....:bolt :bolt
 
David703 said:
The cobwebs and swirls will be put on his car by ONE carwash at the dealer? LOL...I think not. So according to you, since all swirls and cobwebs occur during washing, I would, according to you, never wash my car again. Lighten up, its ONE (1) wash. :wavey



So, how DO swirls and cobwebs occur?
 
Setec Astronomy said:
So, how DO swirls and cobwebs occur?



i was agreeing that they occur during washing, etc.. but my point was that it is only one wash.. but see my above post.. i stand corrected after seeing your new car. DAMN
 
To be fair, they probably washed that one more than once, but seriously, it only takes one wash to swirl the hell out of a new car if it's got all kinds of rail and tranport debris on it.
 
I guess what I was trying to say was that with all the knowledge and skills that i've learned here, a few swirls would be a walk in the park for me. But in retrospect, it would be easier not to get swirls in the first place. Thanks guys for straightening me out.
 
For those of you familiar with AutoInt's A-B-C system, does it require some kind of delivery system, is it sprayed on or what? They call it a "bath" so I'm not sure. And it's $50. Should I really go that route or is it just as fine to clay bar or clean.



Now a few of you have told me to be careful calying, not to marr the finish. Since I've never clayed before, what do I need to be careful about in my application? As I understand it, you just lightly pass over an area a few times with a flat piece of clay using alot of lubricant (like soapy water). Where are the danger spots in doing this?
 
BlueBoxer1 said:
For those of you familiar with AutoInt's A-B-C system, does it require some kind of delivery system, is it sprayed on or what? They call it a "bath" so I'm not sure. And it's $50. Should I really go that route or is it just as fine to clay bar or clean.



Now a few of you have told me to be careful calying, not to marr the finish. Since I've never clayed before, what do I need to be careful about in my application? As I understand it, you just lightly pass over an area a few times with a flat piece of clay using alot of lubricant (like soapy water). Where are the danger spots in doing this?





the system I like is from Finish Kare, Automotive, Marine, Aerospace, Mold Release Agents, Paint Contamination

Check it out, but if you have the plastic removed at the dealer and you just drive it home - you can just wash, clay (if needed) light polish (which will make a difference in the way the paint looks and protection.



Keep it simple.
 
The decon systems are applied with a mitt or towel, just as you would wash your car. Finish Kare used to have a less expensive kit, but theirs seems to be about $45 now (or maybe it's that AutoInt lowered their price). Perhaps you can split a kit with someone, either mentioning it in this thread, starting a new thread, or in the Trading Post.
 
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