Help with Basic Rotary Setup

[kkjv1]

In my experience, the best 2 step combo for moderate to bad swirls that i've tried so far is m105/light cut or medium cut wool/rotary + UF/LC gray/DA ( i use my flexDA).



The M105 will take care of most swirls and the UF will clean the rest of whatever hologramming (if any) left by the m105. I don't think you really need a lot of cut for the 2nd step, because the m105 will take care of that. You just need 'enough' cut on the 2nd to remove the hazing/hologram and to 'jewel' the paint. I think the UF is perfect for this.

 

[imported_themightytimmah]

Sounds like 1z is exactly what I need. Even if it takes 2 passes of 1z to get where I need, it would be quicker (I'm sure) than 1 pass of 80 (or similar) with the PC.



The one thing I want to be sure of is that I don't conceal anything, particularly any holograms. Being new, I don't want to take a chance on buffer trails showing up 2-3 weeks later because I just concealed them with my final polish instead of removing them. I also like the idea of low rpms and great compatability with the PC (in case I can't manage to finish down with rotary).



So



I think I've got the setup I need



Makita Rotary

Purple Foamed Wool

Wool Pad Spur

White LC pads



M105

SIP

1Z

Pretty good call. You might want to pick up a Blue or Black LC for finishing on the rotary - it's subjective, but I just like the feel of them way better than the whites. Plus, I've left holograms before with the whites, but never with a blue or black.

 

[imported_Denzil]

Pretty good call. You might want to pick up a Blue or Black LC for finishing on the rotary - it's subjective, but I just like the feel of them way better than the whites. Plus, I've left holograms before with the whites, but never with a blue or black.

Have you had great success with finishing with wool? If so, have pics?

 

[SuperBee364]

Which stuff are you referring to there?

LoL, I always get after my wife for not speaking clearly. Guess I better not let her read that post.



The 1Z is the "stuff" being refered to.

 

[CleanGSR]

Pretty good call. You might want to pick up a Blue or Black LC for finishing on the rotary - it's subjective, but I just like the feel of them way better than the whites. Plus, I've left holograms before with the whites, but never with a blue or black.

Thanks for the tip. I'll add that to my list since it will probably be needed on any Honda/Acura's I do (mine will never need rotary hopefully so it doesn't count).

 

[SuperBee364]

Sounds like 1z is exactly what I need. Even if it takes 2 passes of 1z to get where I need, it would be quicker (I'm sure) than 1 pass of 80 (or similar) with the PC.



The one thing I want to be sure of is that I don't conceal anything, particularly any holograms. Being new, I don't want to take a chance on buffer trails showing up 2-3 weeks later because I just concealed them with my final polish instead of removing them. I also like the idea of low rpms and great compatability with the PC (in case I can't manage to finish down with rotary).



So



I think I've got the setup I need



Makita Rotary

Purple Foamed Wool

Wool Pad Spur

White LC pads



M105

SIP

1Z

That looks like a very good shopping list. I don't think you'll be disappointed at all. If you really want to go for "jeweling" the finish, you could get a couple of true "finishing" pads like LC black or red foam.



As Accumulator mentioned, you don't have to be concerned with the 1Z concealing any defects, either. It's really cool stuff to work with... you just work it til it disappears, and it's done. There's hardly even any residue left to wipe away. You never have to worry about over or underworking it; when it's gone, you're done. The low RPM's keep your paint nice and cool, as well. Makes working with a foam pad on a rotary much less scary.

 

[CleanGSR]

That looks like a very good shopping list. I don't think you'll be disappointed at all. If you really want to go for "jeweling" the finish, you could get a couple of true "finishing" pads like LC black or red foam.



As Accumulator mentioned, you don't have to be concerned with the 1Z concealing any defects, either. It's really cool stuff to work with... you just work it til it disappears, and it's done. There's hardly even any residue left to wipe away. You never have to worry about over or underworking it; when it's gone, you're done. The low RPM's keep your paint nice and cool, as well. Makes working with a foam pad on a rotary much less scary.

Cool. 1z sounds a lot like applying Poli-Seal....which I love. Sounds like 1z will be right up my alley.



I'll probably still use the pc for applying wax/sealants though. I know it may seem odd, but I'm not so afraid of damaging paint, I"m more afraid to Not finsih via PC for fear of leaving holograms. Hopefully I'm over-reacting, but it's better to be on the side of caution rather than overconfident I suppose.

 

[Pats300zx]

Yeah, the review of 1Z was done before I had received the Ultrafina. Don't get me wrong, I really like all three polishes (1Z, PO106FF, and Ultrafina) each have their strengths and weaknesses. Having said that, the 1Z is by far the easiest for someone new to the rotary to use, and it also works *better* than PO106FF on a PC. PO106FF takes a very long time to break down with a PC. You really can't lose with the stuff...That being the 1Z Hochglanz.

Superbee...How do you the 1Z Polishes compare to the Menzerna line. Is this correct??



SIP=IZ Intensive Paste

106FF=1Z Final Finish

PO85RD=IZ Hochglanz



I just wanted to make sure where the 1Z polishes fit in.

 

[SuperBee364]

Superbee...How do you the 1Z Polishes compare to the Menzerna line. Is this correct??



SIP=IZ Intensive Paste

106FF=1Z Final Finish

PO85RD=IZ Hochglanz



I just wanted to make sure where the 1Z polishes fit in.

Almost, but not quite... the "1Z Final Finish" is just a glaze, not an abrasive polish.



SIP = 1Z Intensive Paste

106FF = 1Z Hochglanz (although the new bottles are actually labeled in English as "High Gloss")

 

[CleanGSR]

Yeah, I just read on autogeek that 1z Hochglanz is comparable to PO106. From what I read about it on autogeek 1z sounds like a great product. I think I'm gonna try and pick up the 1z, then SIP, then give it a little while and get the rotary and pads.....easier to convince the wife if I don't drop all that money at once.

 

[CleanGSR]

Sorry to keep tacking on questions here, but I have another.



All I can find on sizes of the purple wool is 6.5"....is that the right size?



Also, the LC foam pads come in both 7.5" and 8.5"....which size would be recommended? If I remember correctly it's the opposite of the PC as far as pad size vs. cut. Doesn't larger pad give more cut with rotary?



***Nevermind. I see that the 6" backing plate will work best with both the purple wool and the 7.5" pads, so I'd obviously want 7.5" for convenience of a single backing plate.

 

[SuperBee364]

6.5" is the right size for the purple foamed wool.



I'd stay with 7.5" or smaller pads. Alot of guys do use the bigger pads, but they can be hard to work with. Yes, you do get faster pad speed at the edges of the bigger pads.



The smaller LC pads can also be used with a rotary, but they are quite a bit harder to center correctly, as they don't have the dished area to center the backing plate. I prefer the smaller pads to finish with, but that's just personal preference, really. Still, nice to have some smaller pads around for the hard to reach areas.

 

[CleanGSR]

Yeah, it looked pretty nice how the larger pads are recessed to help with centering, plus the purple wool comes with a centering tool.



Oh, and this whole setup is going to cost a lot more than I thought. Adding it all up comes to around $400. Sucks because I"m basically starting from scratch like when I started with PC....since I"m getting all new pads and polishes too.

 

[Can You Hear Me]

I am very new to rotary.. I would highly reccomend the optimum line.. Its really hard to burn through with purple wool and any optimum polish or compound. It is very easy to work with/doesnt dry up. and I have not left any holograms left. Just some advise got to the cloest junk yard and pick up a crappy pannel or hood of a car to pratice on so you dont worry about burning your own paint.

-Nick