Help to remove swirls ma…

Who's not friendly Jared? I said I respect the man. We just have a diffence of opinion, as we are entitiled too. We are debating the abilities of the PC vs. the Rotary. I am chilled. Why are you flexing?
 
The bottom line is that they aren't coming out by hand. We can both think what we want about what tool is going to work for the job, but its not anything that we can prove. I am agreeing that a rotary will work, but this guy is a newbie and he will probably make a mess of his paint with it. I believe that a PC will help and its something he can at least get familiar with. Perhaps you haven't seen David's article on proper use of the PC 7424. The PC is designed to remove swirls and it does just that. The kind that you may be working on aren't going to come out with one. Maybe BoJaber has that type. Who knows? All I know is that they look like something a beginner with a PC could probably take care of. I'm not trying to argue. I'm just trying to save a car. I don't want him dropping $200 bucks on a rotary that is going to FUBAR his paint because he doesn't know have the experience to use it. A rotary is not a beginner tool.


And just so we are clear, I'm totally not arguing with you. I don't want to sound disrespectful or anything. We are just having a conversation here. Nothing cutthroat or violent. I don't think either one of us are going to have hard feelings over a difference of opinion. We're cool. :bigups
 
No flexing, but a visual show of the difference of opinion is no way to welcome a new guy to the City. Let's keep it real! :)
 
Fair enough Jared. I agree.

Jngbrdman, I agree that the rotary is not a novice tool. That is why I suggested he take it to a pro. I have read David's article and many others on the subject as well. I know what I am doing. And I know the limitations of a tool. I stated my opinion, and you stated yours. Maybe you have a process that will work with the PC, I got frustrated trying to find one and spending hundreds of dollars on cutting pads for the PC. The rotary works well for me, and I stand by that. That is what it's designed for. The PC is designed for sanding wood (not removing swirls). All this talk about the PC removing swirls and leaving a perfect finish is what persuaded me to buy one in the first place. I wasted a lot of money before I realized that it has it's limitations. I don't mean any disrespect, but telling this guy to spend $150 on a PC, plus a minimum of $50 on pads to fix his paint job is misleading. It ain't gonna get the job done and he's out of $200. Those are scratches in his pic, not cobwebs. That is my point.
 
You know what really sucks? The two of you are 'having a conversation' about this and neither of you will ever know who is right. :lol The dude lives in Bahrain so I doubt that either of you are going to offer to prove your point. The real point is that he needs a machine. PC or rotary. If a newbie can get those out with a PC then I'll give you both $100. If a newbie can get them out with a rotary without frying the paint then I'll still give you $100 bucks. This guy's best solution is either to pick a tool and learn how to use it or take the car to a pro. Now, no more arguing or I'm going to give my buddy Jared here a little practice with my axe. :naughty Capisce?
 
Ace Of Spades said:
Ok then, discussion closed from this end. The mullet has spoken.
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Now why can't everybody be like you? :bigups (just so you know... you are probably right on that whole rotary thing. ;))
 
Although I agree with everyone here about the use of a PC and the Use of a Rotary!

I would try and pick up some professional products like Poorboys, or Meguiars Proffesional series by hand and see where you go! The typical response from everyone here is...try the least abrassive product and step up only if necessary!

I would try Medium abrassive product with that first (Poorboys SSR 2.5) At that point if you should be able to see weather or not if your makind any progress. If non is made THEN I would bite the bullet and either take the plunge and buy a PC or a Rotary.

If you buy either... I recomend trying both on a car that you don't care about! once you get the hang of what you are doing ...then start to work on your car!

Either which way you do it......Its not going to be an easy job! Just take your time..... And don't get too frustrated!
 
I get to talk now ;)

It all comes down to how much time you have on your hands I think. Product will cut with little heat....heat just breaks the abrasive down.
So in order of how much time you have to polish, from most to least:
by hand
by PC
by rotary
by rotary/wool pad
wetsand

I bet I could get those scratches out by hand, it would take too long for me though... my 2 cents
 
BoJaber said:
Thanks NEW AGAIN, Jngrbrdman and Don. I will try to Search for a PC in our local Market.
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BoJaber;

First, welcome to DC. As you can see, you will get lots of input on almost any problem you can come up with.

Second, you may have a problem finding Porter Cable in Bahrain. If you are going across the causeway, drop in to SACO in Al Khobar (up near the Al Rashid Mall). If they don't stock them, they will order it for you, and they are (usually) pretty reasonable.

Just keep your head down when you are on the other side.
 
freedre Just to enter to KSA and came back to Bahrain it's cost me $18.5 USD.. (10.5 enter and exit Tax's and 8 for gas) 18.5 *2 + ordering price + PC price ... it's will cost me much ..
 
BoJaber said:
Hi,

I get this http://www.blackanddecker.com/ProductGuide/ProductDetail.aspx?PID=5469 in the local market .. Dose it done this jop ?

Thanks ..
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Probably it will not do the job for you.

Have you considered a rotary? They are much more difficult to use, but they give superior results.

I know what you mean about the cost of the causeway. Try telephoning SACO and see if they carry Porter Cable. Maybe you could get someone to pick one up for you.
 
If I remember right, Frank (mirrorfinishman) does lots of work by hand. He might be able to suggest what would be the best procedure in removing something like this. For me though, I would dred doing it by hand, and I agree that a rotary in the hands of a professional would be the way to go, but on the other hand, aren't we all gathered here to share our experience ???
 
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