help me pick a wax i can layer please

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93zder

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I am currently using NXT 2.0 and am happy with the wet look and would like to continue with that theme. But add some protection to get me through the winter months when i can't wax.



I'd like something that i can layer on as many coats as i have time for. I am currently using Mother Pure Carnauba, but would like something of higher quality and a wetter look.



Could you all suggest something that will work for me?



thanks
 
are you more worried about the "wet look"

or getting through the winter?



476 has almost as wet of a look as NXT2.0 and last 10x longer and can be layered
 
I'm using Collinite 885 myself. I was told it's the same thing as 476 but smells worse. I have both and the 885 smells like a can of Raid bug spray and the 476 smells nice and fruity. I haven't used the 476 yet so I can't tell you how it'll look.



The 885 on my silver Subaru looks great though. I have it layered. I have Klasse AIO underneath with 2 layers of 885 on it. After 4 weeks with it, the beading action is still nuts. I've never seen a wax that beads water like the 885 does. We'll see how long before the Collinte wears out.



As far as other stuff goes. I have used Top of the Line's Trade Secret and that stuff is really nice. It goes on really really easy and really easy to remove. The trade off is that it doesn't last very long. In my experience, it lasts about 4 - 6 weeks then you'll need to reapply. The shine on black is unbeatable.



I have used Pinnacle Souveran and it's just as easy to use as the TOTL stuff, but again, it doesn't last very long and it's expensive. This looks great on black as well.



I have used Meg's Gold paste wax and that stuff was junk, IMO. It didn't go on as easy as TOTL and removing it wasn't as easy and it lasted about as long. I still have a can of it sitting on my shelf.



I also have a can of Pinnacle XMT 180 that I have used once. It's really easy to apply and remove but again, it only lasts about 6 weeks. The advantage is that you are supposed to be able to apply it directly in the sun. I haven't tried that yet, but probably will next season.



And then the Klasse AIO by itself. My friend let me experiment on her car with just KAIO and I applied it 8 weeks ago. The last rain we had was 3 or 4 days ago and the water was still beading up on the paint. Add to that, I didn't claybar the car first and her car hasn't been washed since I applied the KAIO. To me, that's incredible.



Now, when I say that the wax only lasts about 4 - 6 weeks, I'm talking about the water beading on the car. I'm not sure if that is an indication of whether the product is still protecting your paint or not, but I like it when the water beads. I'm a bit of a freak when it comes to waxing. In the warm months, I'm applying wax about every 3 - 4 weeks. I just like doing it and it's pretty easy to do so I continue to do it until it gets too cold.



In short, just about any wax that you buy that doesn't include a cleaning element can be layered. You can't layer KAIO because it has a light chemical polish. If you go the route of KAIO, you could layer it with Klasse SG. Be aware though, KSG requires that you use very thin layers or it's hard to remove.
 
BigJimZ28 said:
are you more worried about the "wet look"

or getting through the winter?



476 has almost as wet of a look as NXT2.0 and last 10x longer and can be layered
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I'd like to find the best of both worlds if it exists.



I dont mean to ask a dumb question, but is 476 made my Collinite? I'm assuming i would used this in place of the NXT?
 
yes, and yes. isnt that what we're all looking for? "the best of both worlds," durability and awesome looks! good luck!
 
I have two layers of NXT on my car and am just about ready to apply a layer of Collinite 845, a liquid wax, to get me through the winter months. The Collinite products are reputed to be the most durable carnauba waxes now available. And everyone seems to agree that they all give a great shine. I understand that 915 is a bit easier to work with than the 476. Several people recommended the 915 in response to my recent query about boutique waxes.



Do check out the Collinite website and especially the FAQs: Collinite Wax Products.
 
NXT is a synethic sealant and if it gives you the wet look you like, stay with it.



Top the NXT with 845 asa topper for winter protection, it won't do anything to hurt the NXT, just enhance it.
 
93zder- One more vote for Collinite. The wax for durability in the winter: multiple applications/layers of 476S.



If you're concerned about a solvent-action compromising the layering, just do some kind of spit-shining and/or apply one more coat of 476S after each of a series of regular washes.



simplybao- I think that fruity 476S of yours must be a new version. Kinda glad I have the old, solventy-smelling stuff myself as I actually like the old school stink of it!
 
I think i am leaning towards the Collinite since i want durability as the winters can be pretty harsh up here with quite a bit of salt.



I would like to continue using my orbital buffer to apply the product as i've found it distributes it more evenly than by hand.



Seems like 845 is the only liquid where the others are paste. Is it possible to apply a paste wax with an orbital buffer? I was interested in the 915 possibly since it seems to have a longer durability.



thanks
 
jimmie jam said:
i have never proven extended durability by layering. :nervous: what is the point?
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My point is extended protection - and is what i am hoping for. I am assuming that with more layers, there would be a 'thicker' barrier therefore it would take longer to wear off.



Maybe i'm wrong?
 
jimmie jam said:
i have never proven extended durability by layering...
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Please don't take this as an :argue but rather as simple discussion. This is one area where my experiences/opinions can sometimes vary from those of people with whom I'm almost *always* in complete agreement. I've pretty much adopted a "here's my experience, see if it works that way for you" perspective on this, as opposed to a "hey, it works for me, so what's *your* problem" perspective.



I've had differing experiences when layering waxes and sealants, from zip (UPP, non-spit-shined Souveran), to "well, maybe, but not without spitshining and I dunno even then..." (Meg's #16), to incredible improvement (KSG, Collinite).



The differences when products *do* layer for me are pretty dramatic- adjacent sections do/don't keep beading the same way, stay slick, shed dirt, most any criteria I can think of are obviously observable. When the differences are *not* dramatically obvious, well, they aren't :D and subtle differences aren't meaningful to me.



I wonder if we approach the layering and/or the evaluation of same in radically different ways :think: There are probably a whole lotta explanations for our differing experiences, but if I didn't derive a dramatic increase in durability from it I simply wouldn't bother (and I *don't* with products where I don't see any benefit, I don't even bother spit-shining 99% of the time- if a product needs that I usually just do one coat and say "good enough").
 
Inzane said:
Pardon my asking but what does "spit-shining" refer to? :confused:
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There are various interpretations, and this really is worth the dreaded search. Nick T. wrote the definitive post on the subject, search on his user name.



Short version: spraying water or QD on the surface before applying the wax. This cuts down on the wax's potential solvent-action and helps facilitate layering. It comes from the spit-shine method of polishing footwear, where a high-solvent-content shoe polish is built up in countless layers to provide the best gloss (and protection) possible with a very thick coating.
 
Ok, i've got some 845 on order - should be here Friday.



I have 2 coats of NXT and a few of Mother's pure carnauba - can i just apply over top the 845?



I'm really hoping so.:)
 
93zder said:
I have 2 coats of NXT and a few of Mother's pure carnauba - can i just apply over top the 845?
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I've never tried it like that, but I wouldn't expect any problems. IMO the whole solvent-action potential of 845 is vastly overestimated.



But just to be safe, try one area, inspect it in the sun (look for what I call "pseudo-holograms") and make sure it's gonna work OK before you do the whole vehicle.



Then, if you get a chance, report back about how it goes so we know for future reference. I'd expect that Mother's to be a little on the fragile side, so if the 845 doesn't mess with *it* there shouldn't be many issues with it messing with anything.
 
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