Accumulator
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Good on you for that!
Though it`s getting hard to do certain things without a cc these days (let alone without causing a lot of scrutiny...try pulling out $XXXXX in cash and see who takes notice).
Hello ya bunch of wackos
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Though it`s getting hard to do certain things without a cc these days (let alone without causing a lot of scrutiny...try pulling out $XXXXX in cash and see who takes notice).
Accumulator
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There are a lot of them that layer for most people. Technique/etc. undoubtedly factors in, but the Conventional Wisdom that you generally cannot layer products due to the "like removes like"/solvent action/etc. is simply NOT TRUE in my experience. Your experience may differ..
Eh, easy enough to test *for yourself* so everybody who really cares oughta know whether or not it works *for them* with the products *they use*. If others have differing experiences the, well...OK, they`re not you
Speaking of those differing experiences....ah yes, the topic of Rinseless Washes....
Some Rinseless techniques are *MUCH* more involved than that (see Garry Dean Wash Method) but still don`t work for me *by themselves*.
Might also break down stuff you *want* on the car
Sure don`t want to redo all the seals/etc. every time, even if it doesn`t mess with the wax. What *does* that mix do to the LSPs you use? Does the vehicle look pristine after every wash without needing to rewax/etc. on a regular basis?
Does it encapsulate the dirt very effectively? How`s the lubricity with that much alcohol in it? What`s the, uhm...surfactant component...in that?
Maybe I`m just knee-jerking about it, but compared to a carefully determined choice of shampoo (or in my case, a mix of more than one) it just sounds....funny...to me.
Eh, I *am* talking Maintenance Wash here...for a Decontamination, that`d be different (I use ValuGard`s ABC or, rarely, the FinishKare version).
You mean "...as a DRYING aid", right?
Same here (noting that I was a Shop Lacky myself, in both a dealership`s bodyshop and New Car Prep dept., way back in the `70s), though I *have* known dealership prep guys who were good enough that I let them do our vehicles. Regulars here have heard that before otherwise it`d be the sort of "!NO WAY! Not you..." thing that could crash the internet
Ronkh
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Hrumph
Accumulator
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Eh, too subtle for me again, Ron....need context to interpret.
Ronkh
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look up
Accumulator
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Eh, I concede...just not getting it this time 
Ronkh
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look at gearheads post
Accumulator
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Ah, OK...thanks for being explicit. Sheesh, felt like you were communicating with a, uhm...slow child...there, huh?
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Boden
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Dannit man that`s a lotta topics... *Deep breath* okay then.
I think I`ll leave this hornets nest un-wacked.There are a lot of them that layer for most people. Technique/etc. undoubtedly factors in, but the Conventional Wisdom that you generally cannot layer products due to the "like removes like"/solvent action/etc. is simply NOT TRUE in my experience. Your experience may differ..
Eh, easy enough to test *for yourself* so everybody who really cares oughta know whether or not it works *for them* with the products *they use*. If others have differing experiences the, well...OK, they`re not you
Rinseless wash doesn`t make sense to me either.
It won`t react with rubber or plastic. Dressing, yes. But it`s a spot cleaner for tar and such.Might also break down stuff you *want* on the car
It will strip most anything off the paint. Safe for acrylic base plastics (lamp cover safe). It`s slightly base (ph 7.5)
it`s just a paint safe solvent
It`s not a maintenance wash solution. Just for poo, tar and sap. Then reapply LSP to that spot.
Nope, I meant rinse aid. I`m using Opti-seal as a drying aid.You mean "...as a DRYING aid", right?
That I believeSame here (noting that I was a Shop Lacky myself, in both a dealership`s bodyshop and New Car Prep dept., way back in the `70s), though I *have* known dealership prep guys who were good enough that I let them do our vehicles. Regulars here have heard that before otherwise it`d be the sort of "!NO WAY! Not you..." thing that could crash the internet
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Authentic frontier jibberish.........
rlmccarty2000
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Boden, looks like you will fit in here just fine! Lol
Accumulator
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Boden- Thanks for the good responses to my earlier post.
Yeah, that whole Layering thing *can* be a hornet`s nest! Some people sure get, uhm....invested....in their opinions.
FWIW, I almost *always* just use clay to remove tar/etc, and if I use the right clay (Sonus SFX) and the right techniques (very VERY gentle/careful..stroke-by-stroke, inch-by-inch, kneading constantly) I don`t have to reLSP. I can`t remember the last time I used a solvent to clean off tar, must`ve been back in the 1990s or something. But yeah, that does trash the clay pretty fast.
Bugs/etc. come off easily enough with a little 1Z Anti-Insekt presoak, and as long as I don`t let it dwell too long that won`t mess with my LSP either.
I generally don`t bother cleaing off bird-bombs as they don`t etch through my LSPs.
We might just be dealing with completely different situations, especially as I`m only doing my own vehicles. And as you can tell, I work kinda hard at *not* having to reLSP. Just doing a quick maintenance wash ("quick" for me is at least 5 hours of hard work) is enough, don`t want to do *anything* more if I can help it.
Yeah, that whole Layering thing *can* be a hornet`s nest! Some people sure get, uhm....invested....in their opinions.
FWIW, I almost *always* just use clay to remove tar/etc, and if I use the right clay (Sonus SFX) and the right techniques (very VERY gentle/careful..stroke-by-stroke, inch-by-inch, kneading constantly) I don`t have to reLSP. I can`t remember the last time I used a solvent to clean off tar, must`ve been back in the 1990s or something. But yeah, that does trash the clay pretty fast.
Bugs/etc. come off easily enough with a little 1Z Anti-Insekt presoak, and as long as I don`t let it dwell too long that won`t mess with my LSP either.
I generally don`t bother cleaing off bird-bombs as they don`t etch through my LSPs.
We might just be dealing with completely different situations, especially as I`m only doing my own vehicles. And as you can tell, I work kinda hard at *not* having to reLSP. Just doing a quick maintenance wash ("quick" for me is at least 5 hours of hard work) is enough, don`t want to do *anything* more if I can help it.
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Boden
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5 hours... :huh: Dang...
The sight of my work truck might kill you (98 Passport).
With the Opti-seal and OCW being so easy to reapply I`m not concerned about wiping a bit off.
If I may ask, what LSP are you using?
Accumulator
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You guys who think 5 hours is long....heh heh, I can`t help but wonder how anybody can do what I do in less time.
JustJesus- Well, I seem to recall that at one time you weren`t spending much time on stuff like the springs on the backside of wiper arms All such stuff takes a few moments and those moments add up (e.g., how many surfaces ya think there are on an A8`s trunk hinges? How many individual slots in the grilles? And then there`s undercarriage....). A whole lotta vehicles would probably be easier, and thus much quicker, to do than mine.
Boden- Well, none of my vehicles are what I`d consider a "work truck" so it might just be apples/oranges and IMO some vehicles are simply appliances. Heh heh, this has me thinking how some guys here are all Autopian about their lawn/etc. equipment whereas I simply couldn`t care less and wouldn`t wax such stuff for anything.
Current Fave LSP: Most of our vehicles are now wearing FK1000P, and sooner or later I`ll put it on most of the others...maybe *all* of `em, even the Jag. Durable and very protective, simply kills every other LSP I`ve ever used and does so without needing very many layers/applications.
JustJesus- Well, I seem to recall that at one time you weren`t spending much time on stuff like the springs on the backside of wiper arms
All such stuff takes a few moments and those moments add up (e.g., how many surfaces ya think there are on an A8`s trunk hinges? How many individual slots in the grilles? And then there`s undercarriage....). A whole lotta vehicles would probably be easier, and thus much quicker, to do than mine.Boden- Well, none of my vehicles are what I`d consider a "work truck" so it might just be apples/oranges and IMO some vehicles are simply appliances. Heh heh, this has me thinking how some guys here are all Autopian about their lawn/etc. equipment whereas I simply couldn`t care less and wouldn`t wax such stuff for anything.
Current Fave LSP: Most of our vehicles are now wearing FK1000P, and sooner or later I`ll put it on most of the others...maybe *all* of `em, even the Jag. Durable and very protective, simply kills every other LSP I`ve ever used and does so without needing very many layers/applications.
Boden
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You guys who think 5 hours is long....heh heh, I can`t help but wonder how anybody can do what I do in less time.
JustJesus- Well, I seem to recall that at one time you weren`t spending much time on stuff like the springs on the backside of wiper arms
Boden- Well, none of my vehicles are what I`d consider a "work truck" so it might just be apples/oranges and IMO some vehicles are simply appliances. Heh heh, this has me thinking how some guys here are all Autopian about their lawn/etc. equipment whereas I simply couldn`t care less and wouldn`t wax such stuff for anything.
Current Fave LSP: Most of our vehicles are now wearing FK1000P, and sooner or later I`ll put it on most of the others...maybe *all* of `em, even the Jag. Durable and very protective, simply kills every other LSP I`ve ever used and does so without needing very many layers/applications.
I wasn`t surprised by the 5 hr thing. Makes sense to me. Heck, I`ve spent hundreds of hours restoring a old motorcycle which is mostly taking them apart, cleaning the bits and reassembling.
Thinking about it, I flew out and detailed my dads A7 for his birthday last fall and took ~14hrs. He`s getting a little to old to do it himself :mellow:
I`ll have to give the FK1000p a go. Actually, y`all have inspired me to tidy up the old truck. I`m gonna need a lot of clay
Accumulator
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Boden- Good on you for taking on your Dad`s A7.
Regarding the truck, actually I *really* like such details. No question of getting it Perfect, just making a well-used tool more pleasant to keep on using...sorta like the old motorcycles or cleaning a well-worn tool after you`ve used it. Even if the cosmetics don`t matter to you, most stuff that ya rely on is better when it`s clean, especially something like a vehicle where leaks/visible wear/etc. can be important to spot early. Like.... a filthy undercarriage/engine compartment can hide a lot of nasty surprised that`re about to change your life. And Service Techs have a different attitude towards vehicles that scream "the owner knows every inch of this thing!"
Rather than knocking yourself out with a lot of claying, you could use the Prep Towels that some here like (IF you`re planning to do a lot of correction anyhow) or do the chemical decontamination that I prefer. I`ve used both ValuGard`s ABC and the considerably more potent/less idiot-proof stuff from FinishKare, and nowadays there are others on the market too.
Regarding the truck, actually I *really* like such details. No question of getting it Perfect, just making a well-used tool more pleasant to keep on using...sorta like the old motorcycles or cleaning a well-worn tool after you`ve used it. Even if the cosmetics don`t matter to you, most stuff that ya rely on is better when it`s clean, especially something like a vehicle where leaks/visible wear/etc. can be important to spot early. Like.... a filthy undercarriage/engine compartment can hide a lot of nasty surprised that`re about to change your life. And Service Techs have a different attitude towards vehicles that scream "the owner knows every inch of this thing!"
Rather than knocking yourself out with a lot of claying, you could use the Prep Towels that some here like (IF you`re planning to do a lot of correction anyhow) or do the chemical decontamination that I prefer. I`ve used both ValuGard`s ABC and the considerably more potent/less idiot-proof stuff from FinishKare, and nowadays there are others on the market too.
Boden
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Boden- Good on you for taking on your Dad`s A7.
Regarding the truck, actually I *really* like such details. No question of getting it Perfect, just making a well-used tool more pleasant to keep on using...sorta like the old motorcycles or cleaning a well-worn tool after you`ve used it. Even if the cosmetics don`t matter to you, most stuff that ya rely on is better when it`s clean, especially something like a vehicle where leaks/visible wear/etc. can be important to spot early. Like.... a filthy undercarriage/engine compartment can hide a lot of nasty surprised that`re about to change your life. And Service Techs have a different attitude towards vehicles that scream "the owner knows every inch of this thing!"
Rather than knocking yourself out with a lot of claying, you could use the Prep Towels that some here like (IF you`re planning to do a lot of correction anyhow) or do the chemical decontamination that I prefer. I`ve used both ValuGard`s ABC and the considerably more potent/less idiot-proof stuff from FinishKare, and nowadays there are others on the market too.
Oh, I`ve got a plan for the truck. Bit of a comic "redneck detail video review" using plumbers putty "clay", bottom of a mouse pad "clay", bit of fun with a belt sander
and few other bad ideas I`ve seen floating around the web. I`m going to have some fun. (Don`t worry I`ll use stunt paint)