Heavyweight wax test: 845 v. 476s v. FK1000p, and 1 coat v. 2 coats

I'll never get how the FK1000P seems to die off so quickly for some people :confused: The beater-Tahoe gets used and abused something awful, yet the FK1000P'ed hood on that still beads like it was just done (two coats, last one in January).



The sides could probably stand redone, but not badly enough for me to bother; now isn't that just sooo different from what Guitarist302008 is experiencing?!?
 
Black is very hard on any LSP. Not surprised the durability was compromised. It doesn't look dead to me though, fading yes.
 
I've found that waxes of the carnuba (non-syntethic) variety are poor choices on very dark color cars, especially kept outdoors IME. I stopped using them on my mother's black car. I've used p21s and mother's carnuba and both of those just plain old sucked. She even keeps it garaged. Just too much when it's 95*. After applying the P21s and letting it sit in the sun it would turn milky... right. I was very careful to not over apply after the second time so whatevs. Had to throw it out after it started molding from years in the back of my cabinet.



That said, I've been using CG butter wet like it's going out style. It's carnuba based with some synthetic somethings (I like to call it polymer reinforced :lol:) that really make it last, but this on a white LHS. Nearly a month and beads like freshly waxed, kept outside 24/7 in TN. Been through some major storms and parking lot baking and still holding up. EASY to remove, but probably not as durable as the Klasse twins.
 
I don't think it is wash technique since I used the same technique and methods of light pressure, thorough pre-rinse, etc as I always do. I've only washed this car two or three times since applying the wax two months ago due to being out of town. The only variables I can think of are paint color and this car sitting outside 24/7 through the heat. These waxes last much, much longer on my garage-kept cars. I wouldn't be surprised if the paint temperatures approached 175 degrees in the direct sun when its 95 out. I remember seeing this one, and that was in the spring: Working in the sun? How HOT does your car's paint get? - Car Care Forums: Meguiar's Online
 
Accumulator said:
I'll never get how the FK1000P seems to die off so quickly for some people :confused: The beater-Tahoe gets used and abused something awful, yet the FK1000P'ed hood on that still beads like it was just done (two coats, last one in January).



The sides could probably stand redone, but not badly enough for me to bother; now isn't that just sooo different from what Guitarist302008 is experiencing?!?
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Keep in mind I have been using Rain-X car wash.. just cheap 5.00 a gallon stuff... I wash the car 2 times a week or there abouts as well.. this could be very easily the reason. I don't know how much that wash breaks down sealants and waxes.
 
I live in the South,and I don't have much luck with anything in regards to durability. Nothing seems to last as long as it should including Collinite and Zaino.
 
extrabolts said:
I don't think it is wash technique since I used the same technique and methods of light pressure, thorough pre-rinse, etc as I always do. I've only washed this car two or three times since applying the wax two months ago due to being out of town. The only variables I can think of are paint color and this car sitting outside 24/7 through the heat. These waxes last much, much longer on my garage-kept cars. I wouldn't be surprised if the paint temperatures approached 175 degrees in the direct sun when its 95 out. I remember seeing this one, and that was in the spring: Working in the sun? How HOT does your car's paint get? - Car Care Forums: Meguiar's Online
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As you mentioned, it wouldn't be too surprising if it was the heat, perennial rain and paint color that did it - here in Manila, where it's hot, humid, rainy and dusty, just about all of us (on our local detailing forum) get poorer durability from pretty much any LSP vs what people in kinder climates get.
 
Guitarist302008 said:
Keep in mind I have been using Rain-X car wash.. just cheap 5.00 a gallon stuff... I wash the car 2 times a week or there abouts as well.. this could be very easily the reason. I don't know how much that wash breaks down sealants and waxes.
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Besides not knowing about the wash (and I come across as a shampoo snob because only the best shampoos satisfy me), that's awfully frequent washing.



But yeah, some shampoo/LSP combos simply work and others simply don't. Sometimes it's surprising how that works out too.
 
Accumulator said:
Besides not knowing about the wash (and I come across as a shampoo snob because only the best shampoos satisfy me), that's awfully frequent washing.



But yeah, some shampoo/LSP combos simply work and others simply don't. Sometimes it's surprising how that works out too.
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Man having a white 370z and living in the country doesn't help much... constant dust, bugs, stupid irritation systems ALWAYS spraying water and it getting on the road (do they know how much water they waste doing that) along with everything else... dirt roads, etc etc. That's why I had posted the thread on the most gentle car wash solutions.
 
I bet they are all toast. On a black car sitting in 95 degree heat day after day, I doubt any LSP could last more than 2-3 months except those new nano protectants.
 
KneeDragr said:
I bet they are all toast. On a black car sitting in 95 degree heat day after day, I doubt any LSP could last more than 2-3 months except those new nano protectants.
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I wonder what Scottwax would suggest, he's used to dealing with such conditions.



But then IMO, *really*....three months is a long time for anything (conventional) to last on anything when it's outside a lot.
 
Guitarist302008 said:
Have you tried any Duragloss products?
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Just AW and the 901 car wash. I love both products. The next LSP I try will probably be Duragloss though for sure. I like what I've read about their waxes and polishes,and the results I've seen people get using them.
 
Accumulator said:
I wonder what Scottwax would suggest, he's used to dealing with such conditions.



But then IMO, *really*....three months is a long time for anything (conventional) to last on anything when it's outside a lot.
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Hate to speak for someone, but isn't carnauba moose his favorite?
 
wfedwar said:
Hate to speak for someone, but isn't carnauba moose his favorite?
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Probably, but he's also posted about stuff like Sourveran lasting an incredibly long time considering the conditions down there.
 
I will add to this, because I have 3 coats of FK1000 on my whole car except for the front bumper which has 2 coats of Collinite 915. The 915 is still very strong... beading and sheeting well. The 3 coats of FK on the hood are now all but gone. I've washed the car twice since my last post. My car isn't black either... it's white, but it does sit out in the sun and it gets pretty hot here.



Also to not be biased the bumper isn't metal it's some kind of plastic or resin... not sure what the 2011 370z's are made off, so the heat can't be nearly as bad as an aluminum hood. Anyway. I still like both and the FK is still pretty decent on the sides, but i'm going to strip it all off with some KAIO and put something else on the car... likely Blackfire wet diamond under a few coats of DG105. I am going to test my Fiancee's car with it first since it has 3 coats of 105 on it now... but during driving, the water just wasn't shedding off in the wind at all... blackfire is super slick and will most definitely change that :-)
 
I don't have experience with fk1k but here in florida in the summer with only Sunday washings using meguairs gold class shampoo, collie 845 lasts about 2 months. That is to my expectations of protection and sheeting. It still beads but when "to my eye" I see a appreciable difference I reapply it.
 
Kolokefalo said:
I don't have experience with fk1k but here in florida in the summer with only Sunday washings using meguairs gold class shampoo, collie 845 lasts about 2 months. That is to my expectations of protection and sheeting. It still beads but when "to my eye" I see a appreciable difference I reapply it.
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I don't know much about the 845... I almost bought some before, but I wanted the 915, as I had been curious to try it for quite some time. I wasn't disappointed in it and as I said in my other post, it's lasted quite a while... now how long would it last on a dark car in Florida, Vegas, Cali heat on a dark car I don't know. The fleetwax that Collinite makes is supposed to be SUPER durable, I believe it's the 846 for cars? Someone correct me if i'm wrong... I get all of the numbers mixed up sometimes.



Edit: 476s is the one i'm thinking of.
 
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Another month and two washes have gone by. At the last update (2 months), I thought I should re-apply, but I know some wait a little longer so I did the same for the purposes of this test. None of the waxes "bounced back" after washing, the hot sun + black paint killed these. In the end, one coat or two coats and choice of product did not make any noticeable difference. I guess that means all three of these waxes are a relative tie in extreme sun conditions. The all lasted about 8-10 weeks in my opinion, but this final update at 3.5 months should leave little doubt that they are all done now.



I also noticed no difference in dirt shedding - all of these got dirty equally as fast. Similarly, they all looked basically the same after rain - none seemed to shed rain leftoevers better than the other.



So, which did I choose to reapply with today? 476 - easy to work with, and trim friendly. This car has a bunch of black trim all over it so applying FK1000P just takes too long.



A final picture, taken about 30 seconds after hosing the hood down, showing the pooling;



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