HD SPEED durability review

Richard Wright said:
Fair enough! I have a small sample that I hope to try soon. I will just be going for cleaning and gloss, I assume a black finishing pad will suffice? What speed would you suggest Thomas? Our car sits outside during the day and in the garage at night.
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Hey Richard, check out my initial review of HD Speed. This was from my first uses of it, back in May and the before and afters from the black GMC truck were taken after using a black LC pad. I can't comment much on Speed's durability which so far sounds like its biggest drawback, but the cut, finish and ease of use are great for an AIO. Also, I wish it didn't clump up after the first few uses as it makes it harder to get out of the bottle, but I transferred it to a yorker bottle and snipped a little off the applicator tip so it's not a problem anymore.



http://www.autopia.org/forum/3d-high-definition-car-care/141037-my-mini-review-hd-speed.html
 
Leadfootluke said:
I did another panel of SPEED, applied by hand like a sealant, allowed to haze, and removed. Looking forward to seeing how well it performs this go-around.
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And it's dead. After 1 wash a week ago it looked like it was holding on for dear life and after another wash [last night] there was not 1 bead. It looked like I took an APC to the paint. I prepped the surface with the SSPT and IPA and then applied SPEED by hand and allowed it to pass the swipe test before removing it. I washed with Optimum Car Wash and Megs Gold class.



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Here are some pictures, SPEED was applied to the roof.



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Leadfootluke said:
I'm curious of I get results like Dan did in this thread so I did 2 adjacent panels with SPEED, but topped one with BFWD to see if that panel is more durable with SPEED as the base.
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My money is on the BFWD side! Would have been interesting if you did three sections:



Speed

Speed+BFWD

Polish+BFWD



I'm curious if Speed is going to affect the bonding of BFWD since its an oil in water sealant and has no solvents to help it bond.
 
I've only topped Speed with a few other products, but IME, Speed MUST be topped with something in order for it to last, it just will not last more than a few weeks by itself in my testing. With the products I've topped it with, I haven't noticed a problem with bonding or anything like that so far, but I'm still trying other products to see what I get out of it. I think my next test is Speed + 915 ... now I think they will look amazing and hopefully last for months.



I consider Speed a sealant, but maybe I shouldn't since it's part Poxy, which is technically a wax, but normally I don't top a sealant with another sealant, just wax for the topper.
 
SPEED with 845 or 476 on top was great, but I have a feeling the Collinite waxes just ate through SPEED's sealant and bonded with the polished paint.



And I could do just BFWD on bare paint, but I anticipate polishing my paint soon and am curious if SPEED topped outlasts SPEED alone.
 
Leadfootluke said:
SPEED with 845 or 476 on top was great, but I have a feeling the Collinite waxes just ate through SPEED's sealant and bonded with the polished paint.
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I bet your right !!



Wow, interesting how it just died... poof, gone....
 
Thomas Dekany said:
Just so you guys understand what is going on with AIO products.



You can have great cutting and polishing ability, or longer durability. You can't have both. SPEED cuts well.



I agree, that 2 weeks is pretty short in the OP's case, but as I have said from the very beginning: top HD SPEED with HD POXY. The time you save by applying SPEED gives you the chance to pot Poxy on.
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The only aio I have experience with is Poliseal and my car sits outside 24/7 and I get more than2 weeks of serious beading. I originally purchased it for jambs only but tried it on my old truck to save some time and it was impressive. Next time around I would give the backfire a shot since I get great durability from the bfwd. Never tried speed just to be fair.
 
Leadfootluke said:
I'm curious of I get results like Dan did in this thread so I did 2 adjacent panels with SPEED, but topped one with BFWD to see if that panel is more durable with SPEED as the base.
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Here are some updated pictures.



Speed on the left panel, Speed + BFWD on the right. I had no doubts that BFWD would do better than Speed alone, but dead after 4 days on a vertical panel makes me scratch my head.



However, HD is doing everything they can to make things right and I really appreciate it and I look forward to trying out more of their products and given them a fair shake!



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One picture of what water looks like sprayed onto the Speed panel.



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Is it dead, or is it just sheeting? I've noticed even a day after application is sheets more than beads unless you mist.
 
Dan said:
Is it dead, or is it just sheeting? I've noticed even a day after application is sheets more than beads unless you mist.
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Dead, the water was clinging to it. Gravity couldn't remove it from the surface if I left it on the 5 minutes :/
 
Dang, 4 days. I'm glad I topped mine with something else.



It makes me wonder about Poxy since it's just HD Polish + Poxy.
 
If you want durability, you HAVE to top Speed with something. It's more polish than Poxy, and acts as such. I consider it a polish with enough durability to get you by until you can add an LSP to it.
 
RZJZA80 said:
If you want durability, you HAVE to top Speed with something. It's more polish than Poxy, and acts as such. I consider it a polish with enough durability to get you by until you can add an LSP to it.
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Two points, if you look at my test, the Speed topped with Poxy lasted no longer than Speed itself, so the actual polish has little to do with the durability. Then, why bother with Speed if you are going to top it? Why not use Polish then top with NS,FK1000P or one of the Collinites? You'll get better polishing and your LSP will have a bare surface to bond to.
 
Dan said:
Two points, if you look at my test, the Speed topped with Poxy lasted no longer than Speed itself, so the actual polish has little to do with the durability. Then, why bother with Speed if you are going to top it? Why not use Polish then top with NS,FK1000P or one of the Collinites? You'll get better polishing and your LSP will have a bare surface to bond to.
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I think that's exactly what so many have been saying...why use Speed if a Polish followed by LSP provides better results? I think the answer may be time. Speed is quick to use, and does provide a great gloss. I, like others, am trying hard to figure out where Speed fits in my detailing arsenal. The last thing anyone needs is to add yet another step in the process, as time is money.



In regards to your test, The Speed by itself lasting the same amount of time as the Speed topped with Poxy makes me scratch my head to figure out how that can be possible. In my testing, Speed by itself was done weeks before Speed topped with anything else, even DG AW.
 
RZJZA80 said:
In regards to your test, The Speed by itself lasting the same amount of time as the Speed topped with Poxy makes me scratch my head to figure out how that can be possible. In my testing, Speed by itself was done weeks before Speed topped with anything else, even DG AW.
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I think the answer is that Poxy really isn't that durable. Its a great looker, but I haven't had any sort of extended durability with it. To get the durability, you have to step up to Nitro Seal.
 
Dan said:
I think the answer is that Poxy really isn't that durable. Its a great looker, but I haven't had any sort of extended durability with it. To get the durability, you have to step up to Nitro Seal.
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I had some water etching on my car with POXY when it sat outside 24/7 for a few days through a few quick storms and then hot sun--never had experienced that with DG 105 under the same conditions so on wife's new black Golf put on a coat of 601/105 and plan to add a coat of POXY when I get a chance (although it looks pretty good with the 105 and a coat of Aquawax). I'm hoping the DG will act as the long term protection with the great look of POXY on top.
 
I am a daily user of H.D Speed, and overall as far as ease of application it's top-notch. I do not believe it was intended to hold up to repeated washes or the environment. I use it primarily

on black colored auction vehicles to enhance them a little, or as an added step to H.D polish. I would recommend following up with Poxy for durability.
 
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