HD Polisher Video Review - Garry Dean - Tampa, FL - Premium Custom Detailing

Mush-Mouth said:
And so many people seem to worship this guy's reviews. Is he even a pro detailer in the 1st place?
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Nope, not a pro.



And the thing is, he gets PAID to write a lot of the reviews he does, and he openly admits it. Avi from CarPro was paying him to do reviews for a long time before he became a distributor for them.
 
Unless you personally know Corey you need to keep your mouth shut. Just because he has been given the opportunity to start a much needed business doesn't mean his reviews are skewed. He tells the truth when he reviews a product regardless of brand. If you have any doubts then give him a call and ask for his personal opinion off the record and I guarantee you it will match his reviews.
 
How do we know Garry isn't doing the same thing? I mean his first review of HD polisher was not all glorifying it and he even said 3D/HD stuff was nothing spectacular, not long after his story changed. If you guys are going to address one individual about this topic you might well address all of them. Sounds like someone is a little upset because they aren't getting freebies.
 
Richard Wright said:
Unless you personally know Corey you need to keep your mouth shut. Just because he has been given the opportunity to start a much needed business doesn't mean his reviews are skewed. He tells the truth when he reviews a product regardless of brand. If you have any doubts then give him a call and ask for his personal opinion off the record and I guarantee you it will match his reviews.
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That's not what is at issue here, Richard. The entire problem is people trying to claim Corey's on a higher moral ground than Garry when the plain and simple fact is he's just as "tied up with" the companies for which he does reviews as Garry is in a business relationship with 3D, if not more so in some respects. Regardless whether his reviews are arrow-straight or not, he's no better or worse in this particular comparative case.
 
If you want to get into personal attacks and ethics about who is doing what and how, I've got nothing but time. How does Garry's business relationship differ from Corey's? Both are being compensated in one way or another.
 
Richard Wright said:
If you want to get into personal attacks and ethics about who is doing what and how, I've got nothing but time. How does Garry's business relationship differ from Corey's? Both are being compensated in one way or another.
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Personal attacks? Come on, Richard. Read what I said, neither is better nor worse than the other -- they're on equal moral ground as far as I'm concerned, and that doesn't affect whether or not I trust their reviews or their judgement. The problem I have is OTHER PEOPLE trying to claim otherwise. As in the people on AGO basically attacking Garry's character on the grounds that they feel Corey is better than he is. That's BS.
 
Richard, thank you so much for your defense of my character. It is much appreciated my friend.



All,



I have only ever been straight with the community. I created over a hundred reviews without making a dime, probably 95% of them I bought with my own money and no special incentive or a forum member sent me a small sample and asked me to review it. I began spending every moment of free time on reviews and answering questions. Over time I thought I'd love to have a better camera to record better video with. I would love to make a couple bucks for my effort to pay for these items and make something for the time invested just because it seems fair. I had people reply to my reviews regularly telling me I should be paid something. I created a website that made it clear and even announced on the forums that I was going to do reviews and sometimes be paid for it if a manufaturer came to me and wanted me to spend 10+ hours on a review. It was also clear the manufacturer knew I wasn't going to say this is the best product ever and all that jazz. Still many times they came I felt odd about asking for money and did it because I love detailing, love writing reviews, and love the detailing community.



For the record I have plenty of other work (I could have been doing) that pays far more than the less than minimum wage I ever asked for my time on a review. SO, I didn't do anything for the purpose of making money. I was going to do it anyway and thought it would be nice if it at least paid for itself. THAT IS A FACT



I'll attempt not to attack certain people who I know are wrong in there opinion of me... I will simply say this. Some people were making money and in it for money completely. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. THATS YOUR BUSINESS! I have no problem with that and more power to you. But don't attack me when I make a few pennies and was straight with people and never tried to hide anything. If I hadn't announced I was making a few bucks on some reviews publicly you would never have known. I didn't have to do that but thought it was important because people always told me how impartial I was and how much they loved that. I wanted them to know what had changed and leave it to them to decide what that meant. There are many many many people being compensated for reviews... Only difference is they don't tell you. I have pushed Ultima for years harder than anyone. Call anyone there and ask them if I have ever taken a dime.... even a penny.... Ask them if I have ever even bought a product from them with even a 1% discount... The answer will be NO. Call and ask the same of each company of every product I ever did a review of and you'll be on the phone a very long time before finding any where I made a dime. Even on those reviews that I was paid (very few) the facts would bare that I could have made far more per those very same hours doing my other work.



When I was approached to open CarPro-US it was a HUGE decision for me. I have a busy life but decided to devote every effort to making my customers happy regardless of profit for as long as possible. I haven't made a dime yet. In fact it will be a long time till I hit black if I ever do. What I have earned is a lot of knowledge building and handling every part of the store. Now obviously I didn't open a store for fun. My intention is to make money but I won't sell out my character or talk ill of competitors. In fact I will still champion those who have good character and products.



The challenges have been incredible which is the best part. I love challenges. When I made the choice to do it I wanted more than anything to let everyone know once again on the forums so it would be public knowledge but obviously I can't talk about a store on the forums as it is considered advertising. Instead as soon as I knew I had made the decision I emailed about 30-40 people in the community whos emails I had to let them know and make it as public as I could without getting banned or embarrasing the one forum that I am a moderator on.



If I felt I owed an apology for opening a store I would apologize. I owe no apologies. Welcome to America where it is my right to open a store. I have done nothing wrong. I hope anyone that has any curiosity about my intentions or my character will call me on the phone and talk to me before posting things about me and making assumptions. But thats your right as well regardless of it being founded or unfounded. By the way, anyone can call me at any time to ask me about any product and I will be honest. Do I want to make a sale for my time? sure Is my charcter worth a couple bucks? Not last I checked.



I forgive those of you who attack me. I am extremely greatful to those of you who know me and defend me.



Have a wonderful day,

Corey
 
Then I apologize Charlie because I am only aware of what was written here. I have a great amount of respect for you and Garry but what was written here was very low. I do not wish to move forward with the attacks but at the same time I will not sit back and let them go on without response.
 
The term shilling sure does get thrown around a lot, and always in a bad light. If someone is paid to sell or do something, they're doing their job. Nobody is making you believe it or even take it seriously. I personally don't buy anything a paid employee/rep/reviewer has to say as they are being paid to say it. I don't think anyone pays for someone to go out and be completely honest, they would do that for free (I'm assuming nobody posts bad reviews on purpose). So what if someone is "shilling" a product to make money, this is not a Communist country.



On another note, if it's shilling for one person, it's shilling for the other also if the facts are the same, so call an apple an apple, and an orange an orange.



On another side note, I didn't see where this Corey guy even posted in the thread over at AG about Garry's review, unless there's more than one thread going.
 
Come on guys. The pissing contests and shill-mongering has gone on for too long. Personal attacks are against why Autopia was created.





Learn, share, and collaborate. If your here for other reasons, go away!
 
corey and gary are both classy guys.i have emailed them both quite a few times asking them both about either products or procedures over the years.both of these guys deserve the success they haveing.
 
Richard Wright said:
Then I apologize Charlie because I am only aware of what was written here. I have a great amount of respect for you and Garry but what was written here was very low. I do not wish to move forward with the attacks but at the same time I will not sit back and let them go on without response.
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And I apologize if my comments were misconstrued or taken the wrong way; I feel the same way that seeing people attack each other and argue over who has the better character/moral standing/etc. between two established and upstanding members of the community is uncalled for here. Both of these guys are on equal footing with regards to having friendships/business relationships/preferences/etc. with others in the industry -- heck, we ALL do. That's no secret, I was just trying to point it out, though perhaps not in the way I should have.



Might those relationships influence our judgement in one way or another? Sure it could, but it does NOT mean we're not capable of being honest. I have never seen either Corey or Garry purposefully skew anything or hide anything in any of their reviews/comments/advice. Only when it becomes crystal clear that someone has misled others maliciously do they deserve the sort of ridicule I've seen both of these guys getting. That's not the case here.
 
To all of you who question anything that is ever reviewed I just would like to urge you to place an order and try it for yourself. That is the only true way you will ever really know without question what a product is like. Corey and I both do our very best to.put out quality reviews. It is crazy to some of you that a view or first impression can change as time goes on. In this business, you don't have much if you don't have your word.
 
Garry Dean said:
To all of you who question anything that is ever reviewed I just would like to urge you to place an order and try it for yourself. That is the only true way you will ever really know without question what a product is like. Corey and I both do our very best to.put out quality reviews. It is crazy to some of you that a view or first impression can change as time goes on. In this business, you don't have much if you don't have your word.
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I've said that for so long, don't take anybody elses word for anything, try it yourself and that's the ONLY way to know. A review is just that, someone elses opinion on something. Nobody reads a good review on a car and runs out and buys it purely on that review, do they (and car reviews ARE mostly sponsored by that cars manufacturer)? They try it out before deciding, and this is NO different.
 
CEE DOG said:
Richard, thank you so much for your defense of my character. It is much appreciated my friend.



All,



I have only ever been straight with the community. I created over a hundred reviews without making a dime, probably 95% of them I bought with my own money and no special incentive or a forum member sent me a small sample and asked me to review it. I began spending every moment of free time on reviews and answering questions. Over time I thought I'd love to have a better camera to record better video with. I would love to make a couple bucks for my effort to pay for these items and make something for the time invested just because it seems fair. I had people reply to my reviews regularly telling me I should be paid something. I created a website that made it clear and even announced on the forums that I was going to do reviews and sometimes be paid for it if a manufaturer came to me and wanted me to spend 10+ hours on a review. It was also clear the manufacturer knew I wasn't going to say this is the best product ever and all that jazz. Still many times they came I felt odd about asking for money and did it because I love detailing, love writing reviews, and love the detailing community.



For the record I have plenty of other work (I could have been doing) that pays far more than the less than minimum wage I ever asked for my time on a review. SO, I didn't do anything for the purpose of making money. I was going to do it anyway and thought it would be nice if it at least paid for itself. THAT IS A FACT



I'll attempt not to attack certain people who I know are wrong in there opinion of me... I will simply say this. Some people were making money and in it for money completely. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. THATS YOUR BUSINESS! I have no problem with that and more power to you. But don't attack me when I make a few pennies and was straight with people and never tried to hide anything. If I hadn't announced I was making a few bucks on some reviews publicly you would never have known. I didn't have to do that but thought it was important because people always told me how impartial I was and how much they loved that. I wanted them to know what had changed and leave it to them to decide what that meant. There are many many many people being compensated for reviews... Only difference is they don't tell you. I have pushed Ultima for years harder than anyone. Call anyone there and ask them if I have ever taken a dime.... even a penny.... Ask them if I have ever even bought a product from them with even a 1% discount... The answer will be NO. Call and ask the same of each company of every product I ever did a review of and you'll be on the phone a very long time before finding any where I made a dime. Even on those reviews that I was paid (very few) the facts would bare that I could have made far more per those very same hours doing my other work.



When I was approached to open CarPro-US it was a HUGE decision for me. I have a busy life but decided to devote every effort to making my customers happy regardless of profit for as long as possible. I haven't made a dime yet. In fact it will be a long time till I hit black if I ever do. What I have earned is a lot of knowledge building and handling every part of the store. Now obviously I didn't open a store for fun. My intention is to make money but I won't sell out my character or talk ill of competitors. In fact I will still champion those who have good character and products.



The challenges have been incredible which is the best part.

Corey
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Hey bud, I will defend you till the day I die! You are nothing but CLASS, such a genuinely nice guy that I would trust with my life, and I've never met you. That's how much I respect you. Thank you for all your hard work, my friend.
 
I am not here for negative business. I respect the reviews of both Garry and Corey and as stated above, it is their opinion. I was informed that this started because of a post or something made against Garry by another member on another forum, which I still have not looked up or wish to get involved with. If a post was made against Garry on another forum then there was no reason to come here and blast Corey in retaliation. Instead, take up the issue with the person(s) that made the statement you disagree with there. My comments above were based solely on the personal attacks against Corey posted here on this forum. If I knew Garry better than I do now and had I witnessed a personal attack on him elsewhere, then I would have done the same thing. I wish both Corey and Garry all the success they can accomplish with each of their respective business ventures.
 
Wow. It's tragic to see threads like these go this way. Indeed, reviews are mere opinions of the authors based on their experience of the products. It's not the absolute truth. Even if I still consider myself I noobie, I know that experiences with products differ; thus, the phrases "to each his own" and "you mileage may vary" are often used in detailing forums. We can share our own opinions of the products reviewed, but I think there is no purpose in attacking the character of those who wrote such reviews. The acronym IME serves a great purpose to make our posts polite.



We can only make assumptions, speculations and surmises about the motive behind their reviews, findings and opinions, and I don't think it's enough to attack their characters. Let's just give these writers the credit for taking their valuable time by documenting their use of the products and share their thoughts. If they have some kind of a connection with the products reviewed, we can only be at guard on whether to believe them or not. Try the product ourselves or look for other opinions. In the threads themselves, we can see what other people, who tried the products, think of the products. Chill everyone.
 
By pro do you mean someone that does it for a living? Because there are lots of pro's who have a job outside of detailing yet they still provide top notch advice to our community. I agree to the extent of being cautious with reviews involving affiliations, and that doesn't mean the person is intentionally trying to guide us to that brand.
 
SSizzlin' said:
Hey bud, I will defend you till the day I die! You are nothing but CLASS, such a genuinely nice guy that I would trust with my life, and I've never met you. That's how much I respect you. Thank you for all your hard work, my friend.
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Thank you very very much my friend. You and Richard both are just the best kind of people there are. I'm just lucky to also be considered one of your friends. I feel the same of you bud.
 
Mush-Mouth said:
So what is everyone's IDEAL pre-requisit for a reviewer to give a competant and non-shilling review? I think they should be a professional detailer that has NO affiliation or financial stake with the product or company they are testing.
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Richard Wright said:
By pro do you mean someone that does it for a living? Because there are lots of pro's who have a job outside of detailing yet they still provide top notch advice to our community. I agree to the extent of being cautious with reviews involving affiliations, and that doesn't mean the person is intentionally trying to guide us to that brand.
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Exactly correct! The detailer that I have more respect for his work than any other has a full time job as well. If I said his name I think everyone here would agree his work is never outdone. He also happens to be a class act without ego and just a downright great guy.



I have no idea about this other thread either... Haven't been there and don't care to know
 
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