Time 2 shine
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What compounds, polishes, pads and machine do you currently have? I would hate for you to have to buy more products. Some times you just need to tweak your current approach.
HD Advanced Polish vs. Menzerna 85RD - Kind of surprising...
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hamza7
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I know this is ridiculous for asking but next time, try sonax perfect finish. I hear it was made for situation like this.
Thomas Dekany
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I can assure you, that Perfect finish is not the answer.
I wonder if any of the guys replying to the OP ever worked on Jet Black. I know of no compound that finishes well on this paint.
OP - compound, with an aggressive pad until all visible imperfections are removed. AFTER this step(s), you can chose from a variety of polishes as a middle step, but even at this point the paint is going to look only so so. Step 3 - personally I would use HD POLISH and a polishing step and finish in step 4 with a black or blue finishing pad. That is what it takes to perfect Jet Black.
You can try other compounds or polishes, but in the end, you will run into the same issue. Be aware that D300 will hide, not remove imperfections. I doubt that that is whats needed in this case.
I wonder if any of the guys replying to the OP ever worked on Jet Black. I know of no compound that finishes well on this paint.
OP - compound, with an aggressive pad until all visible imperfections are removed. AFTER this step(s), you can chose from a variety of polishes as a middle step, but even at this point the paint is going to look only so so. Step 3 - personally I would use HD POLISH and a polishing step and finish in step 4 with a black or blue finishing pad. That is what it takes to perfect Jet Black.
You can try other compounds or polishes, but in the end, you will run into the same issue. Be aware that D300 will hide, not remove imperfections. I doubt that that is whats needed in this case.
hamza7 said:
tssdetailing
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why are you using m105 w/ a white pad? Isn't that for fine polishing (ie 85rd?)
Thomas Dekany
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I didn't mean you Scott - I meant the other people who sound like they never ever worked on JB giving out advice.
Scottwax said:
imported_DJ Mayo
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Guys,
Don't be stuck in your pad/polish combinations. Just because say M105 is a compound, does not mean you cannot use it with a white pad for a less cut and better finish. There are so many types of paints out there that react differently to certain products that you have to think outside of the box sometimes and do what works for you and your customer. There have been times where I have used say something like D300 or M105 with a black pad, and times where I have used a finishing polish like Perfect Finish with a white or green pad for a deeper 1 step, etc. Remember, the information you hear on the forum is general information, take the products and pads you have and try them and use what works best. At the end of the day, you need to make your paying customer happy, not anyone on a forum.
Don't be stuck in your pad/polish combinations. Just because say M105 is a compound, does not mean you cannot use it with a white pad for a less cut and better finish. There are so many types of paints out there that react differently to certain products that you have to think outside of the box sometimes and do what works for you and your customer. There have been times where I have used say something like D300 or M105 with a black pad, and times where I have used a finishing polish like Perfect Finish with a white or green pad for a deeper 1 step, etc. Remember, the information you hear on the forum is general information, take the products and pads you have and try them and use what works best. At the end of the day, you need to make your paying customer happy, not anyone on a forum.
SVR
Dream Machines
Very interesting thread
I've done a stack of jet blacks and soft paints.
And was using Menzerna PO85RD from 2004 to 2009
I never ever used 85RD or 106FF on soft paint. Those two polishes were designed for ceramiclear paints which are fairly hard but not too hard to fix
thus the abrasives in both are I believe, too sharply faced to use on soft paint to achieve a flawless finish
Plus the fact that they are oil/solvent based doesn't help either
alot of polishes I believe actually tear at/into the paint thus leaving swirls/haze/marring behind
It's all in the formulation and sadly most are pretty bad
3M ultrafina I found to fill somewhat and has some nasty ingredients to boot.
I dont use any compound. I let the backing plate type and pad material dictate the cut the most. the polish has less to do wth it.
basically I have three products. each can be used on their own with any pad type from start to finish if I want
those three can do peel reduction, correction, finishing, Jewelling and give a glaze effect without being silicone, oil, resin, wax, teflon based. all water based and no fillers
I just love soft paints because you can transform the paints texture and appearance a heck of a lot more than you can with hard to extra hard paints. can take out the pig tail prep marks and the peel fairly easily
I always grab Xpert 1500 High Tech Polish for the softer paints. it was made to correct and finish them and do finishing work for all other paint types
has never given me any issues so far. I am about to use it in spray form as it has the same viscocity as milk
I've done a stack of jet blacks and soft paints.
And was using Menzerna PO85RD from 2004 to 2009
I never ever used 85RD or 106FF on soft paint. Those two polishes were designed for ceramiclear paints which are fairly hard but not too hard to fix
thus the abrasives in both are I believe, too sharply faced to use on soft paint to achieve a flawless finish
Plus the fact that they are oil/solvent based doesn't help either
alot of polishes I believe actually tear at/into the paint thus leaving swirls/haze/marring behind
It's all in the formulation and sadly most are pretty bad
3M ultrafina I found to fill somewhat and has some nasty ingredients to boot.
I dont use any compound. I let the backing plate type and pad material dictate the cut the most. the polish has less to do wth it.
basically I have three products. each can be used on their own with any pad type from start to finish if I want
those three can do peel reduction, correction, finishing, Jewelling and give a glaze effect without being silicone, oil, resin, wax, teflon based. all water based and no fillers
I just love soft paints because you can transform the paints texture and appearance a heck of a lot more than you can with hard to extra hard paints. can take out the pig tail prep marks and the peel fairly easily
I always grab Xpert 1500 High Tech Polish for the softer paints. it was made to correct and finish them and do finishing work for all other paint types
has never given me any issues so far. I am about to use it in spray form as it has the same viscocity as milk