Haziness after IPA wipedown

Another observation:



I went through the drivers side of the car today, small sections, making sure to go really slow and work the product in really well. Each section was coming out great. In a couple spots I had some leftover product (dust, edges of sections where it didnt get worked in as much, etc). I took a clean microfiber (one of the ones Gtechniq sells), spritzed a couple times with water, and wiped off the leftover product.



Guess what? MARRING. It looks like hologramming, and followed the swipe I took with the cloth. Sure enough, pull out into the sun and there it is.......my perfect panel now all marred up.



Ive avoided it as best I can, I got some splatter on one panel and I wont touch it with water or a cloth. Now the question is, whats the best way to get it off again?



Can I blast it with water from a hose (or pressure washer)? Compressed air? Wash the car?



I now realize this is what happened to basically the whole car. I had it polished pretty well and ready to go....did a wipe down to get rid of some extra dust, and voila, the whole car is marred.
 
The thing is, I can go over the "hologrammed" portion again with fresh product, same exact pad, same exact procedure. Holograms disappear.



Its like the dust is remaining abrasive (since they arent diminishing abrasives, it kinda makes sense), but I still need to get it off somehow.
 
chris01i30 said:
The thing is, I can go over the "hologrammed" portion again with fresh product, same exact pad, same exact procedure. Holograms disappear.



Its like the dust is remaining abrasive (since they arent diminishing abrasives, it kinda makes sense), but I still need to get it off somehow.
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You could rinse it off with water. Never tried that before.
 
Tried wiping with a wet sponge, no go. Same issue shows up.



Im rapidly losing patience. Car has been "down and out" for 10 days now because I just cant get this right.
 
chris01i30 said:
Tried wiping with a wet sponge, no go. Same issue shows up.



Im rapidly losing patience. Car has been "down and out" for 10 days now because I just cant get this right.
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I think it might be the self healing paint. I've never worked with it.
 
Can you take a sun or halogen picture and post it? Lso where are you located?



chris01i30 said:
Tried wiping with a wet sponge, no go. Same issue shows up.



Im rapidly losing patience. Car has been "down and out" for 10 days now because I just cant get this right.
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tdekany said:
Can you take a sun or halogen picture and post it? Lso where are you located?
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Actually really hard to get a pic but finally got a decent one: Halo-marring?



This is from the other side of the car, but its the side I started with and was completely perfect until a wipe down to remove the leftover polish (splatter, dust, etc). As you can see by the title of this thread I thought it was IPA doing it, but it seems to be the polish itself.



Im located in Connecticut.
 
So that marring wasnt there before you started polishing? Seems like P1 is masking the marring, then when you do a wipe down the true surface is revealed. I think its time to try another polish/ pad.
 
D&D Auto Detail said:
So that marring wasnt there before you started polishing? Seems like P1 is masking the marring, then when you do a wipe down the true surface is revealed. I think its time to try another polish/ pad.
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No, it wasnt there. And it wasnt there after I was done polishing either. its only if I have to wipe down some leftover product. For instance, I had the rear quarter done perfectly today. But since its curved/sloped, some product was left in the "slope" area. It didnt some off easily, so I figured Id use it as an example of the marring. Sure enough, after a swipe with a moist microfiber, I had this marring exactly where I swiped. it was NOT there before doing so.
 
In the picture it doesnt look like marring you'd get from wiping with a MF towel. It looks to me like it was caused by a machine. What MF towels are you using?
 
Its tough to show it well, I do agree it looks like machine made marring but its not there after Im done polishing. I buff the section down with a mf towel (bought them directly from Gtechniq). If I have to go back is when it becomes marred. In the sun it looks like hologramming, but its not everywhere (in fact on the drivers side its so hard to see now I needed to use the passenger side as an example).
 
Something sure doesn't sound right. If the marring was not there before polishing (P1) and is not there after polishing, how can it appear after one swipe with a moist (water) mf towel? Just doesn't make sense. Sorry I don't have an answer and I've used P1 many times with no problems even on black soft (Infiniti) paint.
chris01i30 said:
No, it wasnt there. And it wasnt there after I was done polishing either. its only if I have to wipe down some leftover product. For instance, I had the rear quarter done perfectly today. But since its curved/sloped, some product was left in the "slope" area. It didnt some off easily, so I figured Id use it as an example of the marring. Sure enough, after a swipe with a moist microfiber, I had this marring exactly where I swiped. it was NOT there before doing so.
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chris01i30 said:
Its tough to show it well, I do agree it looks like machine made marring but its not there after Im done polishing. I buff the section down with a mf towel (bought them directly from Gtechniq). If I have to go back is when it becomes marred. In the sun it looks like hologramming, but its not everywhere (in fact on the drivers side its so hard to see now I needed to use the passenger side as an example).
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Thats why I think P1 is masking the marring. Then the paint is revealed after you do the wipe down. You could always polish a panel, then clean it without physically touching it and see what happens.



Polish out a panel, buff it with clean MF towel (no water or alcohol) take a picture of it. Then spray on some diluted APC (Optimum 3:1 if you have it), let it dwell for a few minutes (might need a couple applications), rinse the panel and air dry it with an electric leaf blower, shop vac, etc. Make sure you remove all polish residue, the panel should not feel slick. Water should not bead or sheet off, it will pool on the surface. Then reinspect, if there is marring then its from the machine and P1 is masking.



Rick shows good examples of completely removing residues from paint in his write ups, http://www.autopia.org/forum/pro-de...ection-clear-bra-install-unique-car-care.html



Drivers side cleaned with water pooling, passenger side not with water beading.

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Its important to figure out whats creating the marring before continuing.
 
Ill give that a shot when I get a chance.



Any suggestions on APC that I can get over the counter? I dont have any at the moment, wanted to get this done ASAP so it would have to be something I can get at Pep Boys, Auto Zone, etc.



Also, since this is most visible on the doors (vertical panels) how would a spray of water react? Obviously it cant pool on the vertical surface. I havent been paying attention to the hood (although I dont remember seeing any of this marring) so Im not sure it would be an apples to apples comparison.
 
Found a spot on the hood with the marring. Sprayed water directly on it, and it looks like the part of the Porsche hood that isnt cleaned (passenger side).



So, marring + unclean surface = ? P1 not hiding anything?



Ill pick up some APC tomorrow (any over the counter suggestions?)



I noticed you are in northern VA.....if it gets to that point, I would be glad to bring the car to you and have you fix it! My parents live in Williamsburg and we're planning a vaca down there this summer.
 
I got 10 of them right from Gtechniq. Washed them with Sears ultra plus powder, free and clear detergent. I wash them after every polish session (I basically polish until the 10 towels are used), with 2 rinses and high speed spins (high efficiency front loader)
 
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