have you noticed no one gushes over optiseal?

[CelicaLover]

I completely agree with everything dshreter said. To tell you the truth I no longer go by what people say about looks because most of it is the prep. I got for durability which I feel is the true usefulness of a wax. Don't get my wrong I have tried many waxes and sealants. Some of them considered higher end but I truly cannot tell the difference between my 845 and anything else I have.

 

[dogma]

You said the durability has been better with CS. I have used both and they both are still holding up. I have not noticed a drop off in durability with OS yet...Have you? It has only been out for about 2 months. I cant imagine that you have seen a drop off yet.

Out only 2 months . Yeah I know that's what got my attention. I did a side by side comparision on the roof of my wifes van. I did 1/2 the roof with ZAIO/CS and the other with PS/OS ( which by the way was applied 4 weeks after CS). The CS side still has super tight beads and stays a lot cleaner than the PS/OS side wich has very loose beads and retains dirt and such.



This could all be relative to areas we live in. I am glad your having better results down in FL.

 

[thesacrifice]

in the rainy northwest I had better beading with AW on PS vs CS on ZAIO...after 3 months!!!



it's all subjective I guess.

 

[silkstone]

I have previously used CS. Just received OS today, and tested it out. The CS formula seems to be a tad bit richer, or concentrated.



The OS bottles are weak. One of my bottles did not spray correctly. And the bottle is thin, flimsy. As i sprayed OS, some of it leaked thru the sprayhead onto the ground. It was due to me mildy squeezing the bottle. When you use a spray bottle, there is a natural tendency to slightly grip the bottle, as you spray.

On a good note the product was ok....



As for CS, great product. I prefer it overall to OS. But the majority of consumers will probably go with OS, because of the cost & the 2oz more of product, per unit. The look is similar IMHO.

Unless you are a detailer or enthusiast, it would be hard to spot the difference in the cured product.

 

[Woob]

Poliseal to Optiseal is just to easy for professional details!

 

[Hey Moe!]

SilvaBimma makes a good point. Poliseal to Optiseal is a time saver for professionals, who have a car needing only minor correction, and a nice finished product, and perhaps another vehicle to get to.



My comment on durablilty is that I bought and used OS on my car when it was introduced two months ago, and today, after a rain, friends walked around my car just to look at the beading. We'll see how it holds up.



My own comment about OS is that, like so many LSP's, tends to look really good on certain colors. It made my dark-gray metallic car glow, something that those with silver and gray cars may want to note. I've heard so many comments since I became a member here about silver and gray colors being difficult to look nice. OS worked for me in that regard.



Of course, it's "horses for courses," whether it be in detailing, racing, or my favorites, golf and tennis. To each his own. That's the fun of all of this, and it is cheaper than a lot of other "habits."

 

[SubyDude]

I have previously used CS. Just received OS today, and tested it out. The CS formula seems to be a tad bit richer, or concentrated.



The OS bottles are weak. One of my bottles did not spray correctly. And the bottle is thin, flimsy. As i sprayed OS, some of it leaked thru the sprayhead onto the ground. It was due to me mildy squeezing the bottle. When you use a spray bottle, there is a natural tendency to slightly grip the bottle, as you spray.

On a good note the product was ok....



As for CS, great product. I prefer it overall to OS. But the majority of consumers will probably go with OS, because of the cost & the 2oz more of product, per unit. The look is similar IMHO.

Unless you are a detailer or enthusiast, it would be hard to spot the difference in the cured product.

You just need to ask for a new bottle. Mine works great as do most others.



You must not be reading the reviews and comparos with the 2 products. They are not the same and it is easy (even if you are not a pro detailer) to find the difference in the OS and CS. CS simply locks in the finish you have created. OS gives depth, wetness and protection of its own. They are 2 different products.



And to the OP I love the stuff. Just don't "gush" over it on here.

 

[silkstone]

You just need to ask for a new bottle. Mine works great as do most others.



You must not be reading the reviews and comparos with the 2 products. They are not the same and it is easy (even if you are not a pro detailer) to find the difference in the OS and CS.

I've read the reviews...:hifive: , I'm basing this on my own experience, with a certain color paint. I have a light Gold metallic color.



Maybe on a solid or dark color, the difference is more noticeable.



I used the CS in Feb. The OS in June. Different seasons will give different looks, due to the fact the way the Sun's rays are angled towards the Earth in each season.

 

[Scottwax]

They are not the same and it is easy (even if you are not a pro detailer) to find the difference in the OS and CS. CS simply locks in the finish you have created. OS gives depth, wetness and protection of its own. They are 2 different products.

Agreed. I've use both and I prefer Opti-Seal. Durability and ease of use are very similar, but OS has a deeper and wetter look to me.



Personally, I'd go with another layer of Z5 instead of using Clear Seal.

 

[Bigpoppa3346]

Different seasons will give different looks, due to the fact the way the Sun's rays are angled towards the Earth in each season.

I think this is a point that is not mentioned enough on these boards. Paint (especially metallics) will look different in spring or fall than they will in summer.



As for the Opti-Seal, I think it is a nice product. After 5.5 weeks and 5 washes(conventional), along with NO QD of any type, on a non-garaged daily driver, Opti-Seal is holding up nicely. Beading is still very tight, nice slickness considering there was no QD help, and the look is still very much there. I got about 4 applications with an ounce of product, so a little goes a long way. I should mention that this was over a 1.5 month old failing application of FK 2180, so I don't know if that has contributed to the durability any. I will keep updating the durability.

 

[Paulie Walnuts]

Ive heard that it works good on plastic trim, it really holds that look you get from like an armor all or PBs but it doesnt wash off. Is that true? Id buy it alone for that reason.

 

[Scottwax]

Ive heard that it works good on plastic trim, it really holds that look you get from like an armor all or PBs but it doesnt wash off. Is that true? Id buy it alone for that reason.

I used it on the black trim and wiper blades (paint too, of course!) on this Saleen Mustang. Looks great and holds up well.

 

[jcflys]

Wow that stang looks hot! I have a 2008 Space Grey BMW 550i coming and I might have to try some Opti-seal on it.



Scott, have you found it to work great on grey BMW's?

 

[kyotousa]

:nixweiss I've made no secret that I love how wet Opti-Seal looks.



I think these shots show just what I am talking about.

I agree with Harry Houdini



Scottwax's opti-seal shot doesn't really impress me that much anymore

When I first come here.....I'd probably try to buy that product, but now it's like eh...



this is my quick wash ...I did my last full detail on December so there's no wax no sealant only Clearkote Quick Shine

I mean alright it's better than mine...but I did it in 45min.

It's not like I won't do full detail....I will be doing one next week, but I am saying all these professional products are great already. It's hard to compare one anotehr and be impress about it.

 

[Bigpoppa3346]

You can't judge a product by it's pictures...I mean come on. Obviously anything that looks just okay in pictures will look a lot better in person.

 

[Scottwax]

Wow that stang looks hot! I have a 2008 Space Grey BMW 550i coming and I might have to try some Opti-seal on it.



Scott, have you found it to work great on grey BMW's?

Works fine on all colors.

 

[Scottwax]

I agree with Harry Houdini



Scottwax's opti-seal shot doesn't really impress me that much anymore

When I first come here.....I'd probably try to buy that product, but now it's like eh...



this is my quick wash ...I did my last full detail on December so there's no wax no sealant only Clearkote Quick Shine

Quikshine is a great looking QD and does offer some protection. It definitely has a very wet look on its own. A few years back, I did a quick wash and Quikshine on ZaneO's girlfriend's black Tahoe that he had waxed with Souveran the week before. Compared panel to panel, QS added noticable wetness to a week old application of Souveran. No wonder your car looks so good.

I mean alright it's better than mine...but I did it in 45min.

It's not like I won't do full detail....I will be doing one next week, but I am saying all these professional products are great already. It's hard to compare one anotehr and be impress about it.

I can apply Opti-Seal to a car about as fast as I can QD it so there really isn't a time advantage with either method.



I agree it is hard to compare professional level products with pictures on the internet. The best way is to compare them in person. Given proper prep, the differences in LSPs won't be huge but it will be noticable to you in person. Try a few products, see what you like best and stick with it.

 

[kyotousa]

Given proper prep, the differences in LSPs won't be huge but it will be noticable to you in person. Try a few products, see what you like best and stick with it.

I believe that's true....but I am not a professional detailer like you guys

So I can't try "a few" products and decide not to use them...

That's why I tend to ask lotta questions.....



I had to trade Klasse AIO for a PB wheel cleaner cuz no one want to buy Klasse...

It's pretty sad....



I'll stick with VM/EX-P + Caranuba (like Natty's or S100)

cheap and good result...haha

 

[kyotousa]

You can't judge a product by it's pictures...I mean come on. Obviously anything that looks just okay in pictures will look a lot better in person.

I don't think you got my point



if there's one great detail product and one bad detail product you can tell the difference right away....



But it's hard to tell difference between two great products.....



Since we are all using great products, then it's hard to be impressed by another product.

 

[silkstone]

I think this is a point that is not mentioned enough on these boards. Paint (especially metallics) will look different in spring or fall than they will in summer.

Thx for confirming this....