Has Zaino All in One replaced Zaino Fusion???

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It's been awhile since I've posted here at Autopia. Last week, I traded in my black 2006 300C for a graphite grey 2010 Honda Accord Crosstour EX-L. I decided to go back to the Honda brand after after owning the 300C for 4 years, a 2005 Tacoma for a year, and previous to that, a 2000 Honda Accord EX-V from 2000-2004. Every vehicle I've owned in the past 15 years has been a dark color. I navy blue & the rest black. My detailing arsenal is still massive & it's been awhile since I've used my Zaino stash. Here's my question for all: Has Zaino Fusion been replaced or relabeled as Zaino All in One? The new graphite Honda is getting the Zaino teatment this afternoon. Fusion, 3x Z5Pro w/ZFX, Z6 & Z8 as a topper. Maybe Z2 Pro tomorrow. Does anyone know the difference between Zaino Fusion (bought 3 years ago) and ZAIO?? Feels good to be back here on Autopia.
 
Hi Rob, welcome back buddy!



Fusion is more aggressive than ZAIO. ZAIO is a cleaner/bonding enhancer, and there is no need to use ZFX for the first layer above it.
 
Hey Bence! Great to hear from you! As you know, I value your experience & opinons. I'm now in the "analysis paraysis" mode. New graphite grey paint. 1st detail. Zaino, JW AJ/AJT, FK1 1000P???? All but the Zaino would be over Klasse AIO. They would all provide me the end result I'm looking for. Long lasting "Gloss" with easy care maintenance between ONR washes. Now I' overthinking which sealant route I want to go with this afternoon. lol. I hope you've been well my friend, and that you're in good health. I appreciate you chiming in!
 
If I do choose the Zaino route, maybe I'll substitute the Zaino Fusion with Klasse AIO. I've never had any problems with Zaino (Z5P/Z2P) over the Klasse All in One. Decisions, decisions! lol.
 
Zaino fusion is just a swirl remover / light polish. Kind of like M205. Not a sealant and offers no protection. The ZAIO is a cleaner and sealant and for some people would be fine on it's own. On my wife's car I use ZAIO and ZCS alone with occassional Z8 wipe downs and it looks great. On my car I use the whole product line early and often...lol.
 
As Bence said, ZPC (Fusion) is a moderately aggressive polish, with no protection built in. You'd still need the no longer made Z1, ZAIO of ZFX for "proper" bonding according to Zaino. Duragloss 101 is essentially the same thing as ZAIO and its <$10 if you have a carquest near you.
 
Rob, what about a coating first for that softish Honda paint?



(Little hijack: what do you think about the Crosstour? Are you satisfied with it?)
 
Thanks all for your replies. Bence, you definately brought up a legitimate question about the "softish Honda paint." I did an ONR wash with a slightly heavier than normal ratio of ONR to water, after giving the paintwork a really good inspection. Overall, all panels were pretty smoothe to the touch. Just a few areas needed "spot claying." At that point, apllied Klasse All in One by hand with a dampened MF app & removed with a good quality MF towell. (2 layers to the hood & roof were neded.) I now live in a new housing development area & my neighbors can be a PITA with regards to noise, so my PC never made it out of my shop. I finished up with JW Gloss QD. Now this is going to turn into a rather long post, so I'll break it up into a few segments. Post KAIO/JW QD, I let the Klasse "cure" overnight. Now I know KAIO is more of a cleaner w/ Acrylic rather than an Acrylic with cleaner. (If you know what I mean) KAIO did what it's always done for me. It performed as a top notch paint cleaner & left a nice gloss after finishing with the JQ Gloss QD. I'm satisfied with the KAIO and the small amount of acrylic left as a good base for todays detailing session. Once again, the paint is clean, smoothe & glossy. I then headed in to the interior for some major interior detailing. My next post will explain why.....
 
Originally, My new Crosstour was Graphite Grey. I loved the color. 90% of the vehicles I've owned over the years, be it car or truck, have been black. Back in 1993, I had a big Indigo Blue Silverado. In 2000, I had a Dark green Accord. Everything else has been black. The Graphite Grey was a small step in the more "lighter direction." lol. It was only last week that I turned in my Black 300C, which was in showroom condition. My mid life crisis ended early for me, as I turned 42 Oct 5th. lol. It's been 4 years with the 300C & it was time for me to buy a new vehicle as I do every 4 years. I decided to go back to a Honda. The dealer here only had a few Crosstours on the lot. The Graphite Grey appealed to me so I bought it. It was under a canopy in the later hours of the day when I saw it. It was in good shape so I told the dealer that under no circumstances do I want them "prepping" the car for delivery. The deal took an hour from start to finish. I drove the Crosstour home that evening. It wasn't unit the next day when I got a really good look at it in the sun. To my surprise, the nose assembly, rear assembly, and the bottom of the door panels were a different paint dye lot! They were lighter than the main body of the car. I brought it back Saturday, they switched VIN#'s and I drove a Metallic Siver Crosstour EX-L home after careful inspection. No dealer prep again was my instruction. That's where the interior condition comes in. I remember watching one of the dealer car prep guys cleaning this exact car when I bought the 1st graphite grey car. He was using WINDEX on the interior & the Black leather! OMG! You've got to be kidding me. So, this leads me to my next post.......
 
I had to completely detail the black interior of my now Metalic Silver Crosstour. There's no doubt that windex had been used on the interior as it had the "dry" look to it. 303 Aerospace Protectant on the dash and every plastic/vinyl panel from front to hatchback. CG Leather Cleaner & CG Leather Conditioner on the seats, steering wheel & shift knob. I must admit, I do like the CG leather products as they work fairly well. Today, I might go back over all things plastic/vinyl with my hybrid mixture of CG VRT/Silk Shine Dressing for some added gloss. I'll give the leather a good buffing before a final Z10 treatment. Glass was done with DP Krystal Glass Cleaner. (good stuff, btw.) Back to the exterior. A Good Z6 QD'ing this morning before 3 coats of Z5 Pro w/ZFX. I'll top that with Z-8. Once that's done, I'll hit the tires with Wolgang Black Onyx Tire Gel. ( a layer was put on the tires yesterday as well. ) I'll let the Z-5 Pro "do it's thing" for a few days before I decide to 3 more layers in the next week or two with more Z5 Pro, or Add some Z2 Pro to the party. That will definately get me through the Texas winter. Z6 or Z8 between washes. Maybe some AW to see how it works with the Zaino. Sorry for the long winded rant & multiple posts. lol. It's just good to be back here in the World of Autopia! Ya know, sometimes ya just have to talk with others who share your same passions for detailing. All my neighbors think I'm nuts! lol. We all know that feeling. 3 years ago, I began a new career in the Aerospace field. No more riding the "retail rodeo" for almost 20 years. No More Operations Manager for the "Big Orange Box". lol. If anyone has any suggestions regarding Metallic Silver Honda paint, PLEASE feel free the chime in. Bence & Wannafbody......Good to hear from you guy's.
 
BlkTac05 said:
........Back to the exterior. A Good Z6 QD'ing this morning before 3 coats of Z5 Pro w/ZFX. I'll top that with Z-8. ......I'll let the Z-5 Pro "do it's thing" for a few days before I decide to 3 more layers in the next week or two with more Z5 Pro, or Add some Z2 Pro to the party....
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Hi, I've been a hardcore Zainophile more than 10yrs ago, and am still using the stuff till today:spot on my own car and customers' cars.



I could be wrong...but I assume you didn't do any surface prep at all on your silver vehicle, prior to Zaino'ing it?? Layering takes time and patience. If you're talking more than 6layers, then it's certainly extensive, especially when it involves ZFX which is not exactly cheap. Since you're enthusiastic about multi-layering, I feel you shd have extensively prepped the silver first, before proceeding with Zaino.



Also, why use Zaino Z5? I understand that Z5 is claimed to be able to fill in minor swirls, but I've come across many forumers who were dissappointed by Z5. And I share the same sentiments. IMO, you shd hv used Z2Pro:clap:
 
Whether or not you like Z5 is a matter of preference, but if used correctly I can't imagine not liking Z5 on a darker colored car. I have always used Z5 and then Z2 and always been happy.
 
BlkTac05 said:
.. If anyone has any suggestions regarding Metallic Silver Honda paint, PLEASE feel free the chime in. Bence & Wannafbody......Good to hear from you guy's.
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Welcome back! I enjoyed reading about your adventures in Honda Land and I'm glad the swap went smoothly. Silver after all those dark colors? Wow, you'll probably feel like every week just gained six additional hours :D



FWIW, not that I know from Honda paint....I'd FK1000P it. That stuff lasts, protects, and sheds dirt like nothing I've ever used. I don't even bother cleaning off bug-splats any more and I sometimes even let bird-bombs go until the next regular wash. Looks swell on silver too.
 
Accumulator: Good to hear from you! Like many here, I value your opinions as well. They're always spot on. I tossed that idea around. The irony here is that I've been using 1000p on my previously owned black 300C. The week before I said good bye to her, I topped the 1000P with CG 50/50. I'm a HUGE fan of FK products. 1000P is the real deal. Super easy to work with. Withstands the Texas Sun in the summers & the durability is outstanding.



It really came down to this for the new Honda. It had been quite awhile since I'd used my Zaino or JW lineup. I'm a carnauba kinda guy, due to all the dark colored vehicles I've owned over the years. My sealant collection was getting dusty. This was a great opportunity to pull the sealants from my arsenal. (other than 1000P) Since the new color is Mettalic Silver, I was looking for "Gloss". Yes, the "candy coated" look that some many *complain* about. I wanted to add a thickness to the clear coat, in terms of looks.



gigondaz: As for paint prep, there was no marring or scratches that required polishing. Spot claying and a good paintwork cleansing with KAIO was really all that was required. I've been a detailing enthusiast for some 20+ years and have plenty of experience with Zaino. I chose Z5 Pro because I have 3/4 of a bottle of it, as compared to 1/4 of a bottle of Z2 Pro. Plus, for me atleast, Z5 Pro doesn't really provide any "filling" properties. I had no intention of using it to "fill". I chose it for a slightly warmer glossy look on the Metallic Silver vs the brighter look of Z2 Pro. Simple as that really. As for 3 layers of Z5 Pro w/ZFX? Sure it takes time & patience. I enjoy the process. It's relaxing........Stress relieving & a pure joy for me. I began the 3 Layers of Z5 Pro this morning around 4:30am. By the time all 3 layers were applied-removed-Z6 in between each layer, and the Z8 was applied & removed, the paint looked amazing. Now in an earlier post I mentioned the possibility of adding either 3 more layers of Z5 Pro or Z2 Pro within the next week or 2. Honestly, I wasn't 100% sure if the Z5 Pro would provide the look I was looking for. I've never used it on a light colored paint before. Luckily, the experiment worked out very well. 3 Layers of Z2 Pro will be applied next weekend, as it's optically clear & will absolutely up the gloss factor. In closing, I'm winterizing my brand new Honda Crosstour with 30 miles on it. That's really what's behind all of this. Start off with a long lasting, easy to use/maintain sealant. Z6 or Z8 between washes for the next 6 months. Easy care maintenance really.



I find that the less you have to touch your paintwork, the less marring you have to deal with. This way, I usually only have to take out the PC and polish once or twice a year.
 
After roughly 36 hours, the Z5 Pro on my Metallic Silver Crosstour is almost carnauba like in appearance. The 3 layers really warmed up the look of the bright Metallic Silver. It's definately not as bright in terms of flake pop. But it does have a nice glow. The Z5 Pro choice was an experiment on a paint color I've never used it on. It looks great, but in hindsight, Z2 Pro would've been the way to go. Once again, I had 3/4 of a bottle of Z5 Pro vs 1/4 of a bottle of Z2 Pro. I experimented plus used up a bit of my fullest Zaino bottle. lol. 3 layers of Z2 Pro will be applied this weekend. That topped with Z8 will give me the gloss factor I'm seeking. In the end, that's what we detailing enthusiasts do. We experiment & learn. I'm definately not dis satisfied with the Z5 Pro look. I knew Z2 Pro was the way to go to begin with. Just a wee bit of Z5p remorse. lol.
 
Cleaning Fool said:
Yeah, silver screams Z2 Pro, surprised you went Z5. But you can still fix it :)
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Ya live & learn. Now having used Z5 Pro on dark colors, I never realized just how much it provides a warmer look vs Z2 Pro. It's really obvious on the Metallic Silver.
 
The new Crossotur is now Zaino'd. To my surprise, the paintwork had ZERO marring, swirls or scratches. As explained earlier, I used KAIO to give the paint a good cleansing. Plus KAIO is my go "Base" for glazes, Carnauba's & sealants. The next morning, I applied 3 layers of Z5 Pro w/ZFX using a dampened mf app with Z6 per panel. That was topped with Z8. A week went by, which brings us to this weekend. 3 Layers of Z2 Pro were applied using a dampened mf app with both Z6 & Z8. ( slight trigger squeeze of each on the mf app ) I finished that up with a full Z6 buffing. The paint looks rich, wet & reflective. Having owned 95% of black vehicles for my entire detailing life, yes, the change to Metallic Silver is an adjustment for me. The Metallic Silver is starting to grow on me a bit. That, Plus the all black interior (dash-panels-leather seats) has me pretty excited about my new "Soccer Dad" looking Honda. The irony here, is like I've stated, I've pretty much always had black paint on my trucks/cars. The exception being a Indigo Blue Silverado back in '93, and a Dark Green Accord back on 2000. Every vehicle has had a light colored interior. (Tan, grey, ivory, vanilla) This is my 1st Metallic Silver exterior and my 1st "blacked out" interior. lol. I really dig the all black interior. For the record, it's taken me 2 weekends to restore the black interior from the windex that was used on every interior surface up to and including my black leather seats by the dealer. The entire vehicle inside & out looks just like it rolled off the assembly line. This past 2 weeks experience with my new Honda Crosstour has helped ease the transition from the body styling & IMO great lines & look of my previously owned black 300C. Sometimes change can be a good thing! I turned 42 last month & I though my mid life crisis would begin. I've seen to go in the opposite direction. lol. I'll keep the mid life crisis hope alive with thoughts of a new BMW or LEXUS. lol.
 
Okay, here's one more bit of info on my Zaino'd Accord Crosstour............With both Z5 Pro & Z2 Pro, I mixed 5 drops of ZFX with LESS than half the 2oz bottle filled with Z5P or Z2P. Significantly less than an once. After applying 3 layers to the entire exterior, windows and all (Z5 Pro one week / Z2 Pro the following week) I still had some leftover in the bottle. Super thin layers are the way to go, as Zaino residue practically removes with the lightest touch/wipe with a short or plush MF. My 60" LCD tv, my 42" Plasma tv, and my Blackberry Tour have also been Zaino'd. lol. I really think priming your dampened app with Z6 or even Z8 really aids in applying uber thin layers. No "clumping" effect. No "dragging" feeling during application at all. The 60" LCD looks killer!! lol.
 
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