Has anyone compared Menzerna FTG with GEPC?

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I was wondering how they matched up. I have been using GEPC and love the finish, but having used IP and been really happy with it I thought another Menzerna product, FTG might be worth a try too.
 
Have not tried it, but doesn't GEPC have some chemical cleaning abilities? If so, then it's a slightly different product that FTG, because the latter has no cleaning abilities.
 
FTG is very easy to work with and will give you excellent results. Don't work it until dry and do a small section at a time. It has no cleaning abilities, it is a pure glaze. If your happy with the rest of the Menzerna line, you'll enjoy this. :xyxthumbs
 
I just used FTG on Tuesday and found it easy to work with. I applied with a PC and finishing pad, a little goes along way. You can work it for a fairly long time but like L33 said leave it a bit wet. The results were excellent, nice wet deep look that helped hide some of the flaws and battle scars my truck has. Give it a try you won't be disappointed.
 
I've found if I leave FTG wet, it tends to smear when I try to remove it. If I work it until almost dry (and it doesn't ever seem to want to dry), it's a pain to remove.



In my experience:



FMJ = easy-to-use, excellent results

FTG = not so much



And to stay a little on-topic here, if I had to choose between GEPC and FTG, I'd stick with GEPC just for sheer ease-of-use.



Tort
 
As a related question, is FMJ able to properly stick to most surfaces? Meaning, could i use any glaze and have FMJ over it or am I required to have some kind of bond friendly surface like Klasee, bare paint, or Menzerna products underneath?



Was thinking of buying FTG if its swirl hiding capabilities are good and it adds a lot to the finish. Not sure if it will make the looks a whole lot better...
 
Thanks for all the great feedback, gotta think this over. I've gotta say that I'm looking in a GEPC-AIO-P21S detail plan, what might even be better than GEPC? The tough part is I really like the ease-of-use, the paint cleaning and the high gloss from GEPC.



I thought FTG might be interesting but being a pure glaze the AIO wouldn't make much sense, but I also really like it in the process too.



Thanks
 
Thanks Bill, I realize the oils get sripped, but I really like the gloss from GEPC that I don't get with just AIO, but when I skip the AIO step it looses a bit in the look. I've found I really just like the look of GEPC, AIO then P21S on my red Neon and Black BMW.



I've tried other products and this came out the winner. The really weird part is I use Menzerna IP then GEPC, AIO, P21S. Other folks seem to have problems w/IP or need something stronger than GEPC as a step down product, but it works for me.



Although, I might just pick up some FP too. It seems that I've gotta have something to compare and experiment with or it's just not right.
 
BillNorth said:
FTG is supposed to be a total PITA to remove. Sounds a lot like WG pre sealant cleaner. Save your money.



Bill.
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Couldn't disagree more! You haven't tried it ;)



Work a panel at a time with a little bit. It's very oily and does not haze. I just keep buffing and buffing with a polishing pad at speed 4. I use a plush MF and wipe off, turning the towel once or twice until completely removed. I use on dark colors like black, red, greens and blues.



The finish is outstanding. It's my favorite glaze. It has replaced #81, #3, IHG and Mothers glaze for me.



Vanilla Moose, followed by FTG is the wettest combo I have used. I have used DACP, #80, Menzerna polishes and Gliptone Pro Buff under the FTG with zero bonding or removal issues
 
Spilchy said:
Couldn't disagree more! You haven't tried it ;)



Work a panel at a time with a little bit. It's very oily and does not haze. I just keep buffing and buffing with a polishing pad at speed 4. I use a plush MF and wipe off, turning the towel once or twice until completely removed. I use on dark colors like black, red, greens and blues.
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Well, I have tried it, and your technique didn't work for me, unfortunately. It's the "completely removed" bit that was the problem; no matter how much I wiped, or how many fresh towels I tried, there was still fine smearing from the oils in the glaze. It was noticeable if you really looked for it on my silver WRX . . . I hesitate to try FTG on any darker color because the smearing will be more evident.



I'm not giving up yet, though. I'll give the FTG another try someday . . .



Tort
 
Hey Tort,

How much of the FTG are you using. Usually I lay 1 line in about a full circle around the pad. I used it this weekend on a white lexus with microfinger pad, it worked well. About half way through i had to spray the microfinger pad with water to remove the gunked up FTG.

I don't know if it means anything or if anyone else has tried it, but i find Meg's Ultimate wipe to work very well with removing Menzerna's polishes and glaze.
 
L33 said:
Hey Tort,

How much of the FTG are you using. Usually I lay 1 line in about a full circle around the pad. I used it this weekend on a white lexus with microfinger pad, it worked well. About half way through i had to spray the microfinger pad with water to remove the gunked up FTG.

I don't know if it means anything or if anyone else has tried it, but i find Meg's Ultimate wipe to work very well with removing Menzerna's polishes and glaze.
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L33,



When I first tried FTG, I used about the same amount you described. When that didn't seem to work, I did try more, and I tried less. I got about the same results; changing the amount of glaze just seemed to change how long I'd buff until I decided it was time to try to remove the residue.



Like I said, I'll give it another try. I might break out the Cyclo, too, and see what effect (if any) it has on application/removal.



Thanks for the advice,

Tort
 
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