Growing opportunity wet sanding?

According to Meguiar's video YOU CAN wetsand OEM paint with their unigrit sandpaper. They say to use the 2500 or 3000 grit papers only, if I am not mistaken.



Derrick
 
Anthony Orosco said:
No paint manufacturer or product manufacturer that I have ever spoken to or articles from them which I have read on this subject have ever suggested OEM paints to be wetsanded.



I have never heard anyone from 3M or Meguiars suggest a new car be wetsanded just because it has orange peel. They make sanding papers first for the bodyshops which are sanding re-paints not for detailers to knock down orange peel. They make papers for professional detailers to remove runs, sags, dust nibs and yes orange peel, on re-paints, not OEM paints.



I have no idea why the sudden fascination with wetsanding among people....I mean it's time consuming, there is no room for error, it's messy and it's not fun...make a mistake and then the $600 you are getting won't be delivered to you but instead you'll have to pay out $600 or more to a body shop for a re-paint, the car won't ever be the same, it decreases in value and good luck trying to convince the owner you can detail it for them.



The new ceramiclears have an even lower tolerence when it comes to error as their clears are thinner. My advice is don't do it unless you warn the client of all the risks and the risks surely outweigh the benefits.



Anthony
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I couldn't have said it any better myself. Factory paint jobs are NOT meant to be wetsanded. There simply is not enough clearcoat to safely remove any significant amount of material without permanently damaging and/or shortening the effective life of the paint finish.
 
I think the answer is up to the client. If they can accept the defect, I assume we are talking about orange peel, then the car should not be wet sanded. If the defect is an eye sore, then get a ETG reading on the thickness of the paint to make sure the paint layer is thick enough to wetsand. Charge a huge amount of money, because it's going to take alot of work. Get the customer's unconditional approval in writing,and go for it.



Take your time and follow the correct steps. Perfect the paint and make the customer happy.



Get the Meguiars video. It has an excellent section on wetsanding.



Derrick
 
orange peel = more flash! ok .... j / k



but seriously, my car has OP ... yes wetsanding is an option, but I bought the car like that in the first place ... if anyone has to correct it, its the manufacturer
 
Is orange peel a issue with OEM auto’s ? I would say it is!!!



http://corvetteactioncenter.com/tech/paint.html



Dan Stauft

Paint Process Engineer

GM Bowling Green Assembly

“The majority of Corvette complaints that I am aware of concern excessive Orange Peel relative to other manufacturers (i.e.) Lexus, Mazda, Porsche...�



I would have to argue this point,i.e.) Lexus, Mazda, Porsche...� What about the rest you pro detailers?
 
the only SAFE process to eliminate OP is a clear filler(along the idea of Touchup 123) to fill in the low spots. If you are looking for a way to make quick money skip wetsanding- play poker
 
doged said:
Please don’t take this as a negative comint.

I’m not debating your answer but if you think your defeated, then your defeated.

You said, “they asked”? What if you asked?
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The reality is you have aproximately .4 mil of paint to play with for the whole process and you only leave .1 mil for any future safe paint correction. There are just not enough people willing to pay that kind of money and be left with a paint job that probably still isn't completely orange peel free and cannot withstand any major paint corrections in the future.
 
doged said:
Is orange peel a issue with OEM auto’s ? I would say it is!!!



http://corvetteactioncenter.com/tech/paint.html



Dan Stauft

Paint Process Engineer

GM Bowling Green Assembly

“The majority of Corvette complaints that I am aware of concern excessive Orange Peel relative to other manufacturers (i.e.) Lexus, Mazda, Porsche...”



I would have to argue this point,i.e.) Lexus, Mazda, Porsche...” What about the rest you pro detailers?
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What point are you going to argue? My 626 and I'd say all of the Porsche and Lexus I have done have less orange peel than the average Corvette does. The blue one I did the other day had pretty bad orange peel down the sides. The horizontal surfaces looked pretty good, but not the sides. Same deal with Mercedes these days, they definitely have an orange peel problem beyond most other car companies.
 
Scottwax said:
What point are you going to argue? My 626 and I'd say all of the Porsche and Lexus I have done have less orange peel than the average Corvette does. The blue one I did the other day had pretty bad orange peel down the sides. The horizontal surfaces looked pretty good, but not the sides. Same deal with Mercedes these days, they definitely have an orange peel problem beyond most other car companies.
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“Same deal with Mercedes these days, they definitely have an orange peel problem beyond most other car companies�.



It was a figure of speech!!! IMO They all have OP, who cares who has more? It’s all bad!!!



Let’s find a solution !!!
 
wannafbody said:
the only SAFE process to eliminate OP is a clear filler(along the idea of Touchup 123) to fill in the low spots. If you are looking for a way to make quick money skip wetsanding- play poker
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i'd like to know more about this ... is there a process to fill in more clear in the low spots? links?
 
doged said:
Let’s find a solution !!!
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How do we get around paint that really isn't intended to be wetsanded to that extent, plus the limited amount of clear that can be safely removed and often won't allow OP to be completely removed?



The real solution is customer complaints to car manufacturers and lots of them. People refusing cars because of excessive orange peel. That'd get their attention.
 
SpoiledMan said:
Scott, that could also lead to dealers sending cars out to sanded! :shocked :soscared:
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I actually did a Dodge Durango for a dealership because the customer wouldn't accept the vehicle due to orange peel. Best part was that after the dealer spent $500 for me to wet sand the thing the people squashed the deal on them.
 
Scottwax said:
How do we get around paint that really isn't intended to be wetsanded to that extent, plus the limited amount of clear that can be safely removed and often won't allow OP to be completely removed?



The real solution is customer complaints to car manufacturers and lots of them. People refusing cars because of excessive orange peel. That'd get their attention.
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That’s the question I have been asking for the last few day’s!!! The answer is out there, we need to find it. It’s not going to happen on the manufacturing or the dealer level . We have to find a solution on our level.
 
doged said:
That’s the question I have been asking for the last few day’s!!! The answer is out there, we need to find it. It’s not going to happen on the manufacturing or the dealer level . We have to find a solution on our level.
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The answer would require bending the laws of physics.
 
doged said:
...We have to find a solution on our level.
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You’re stuck with whatever the factory hands you. All you can do is go ahead and sand it flat, then spray more clear over the top, thick enough to safely sand that layer flat.





PC.
 
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