Great Price on Clay

budman3 said:
I would call if you are going to order for two reasons. One, the discount isn't applied on the online order and two, it doesn't appear that their online checkout system is secure. Just a heads up.
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Agreed. Their phone service is pretty good, although I had to leave a message and have them call me back. I got the impression that they sell more to HUGE volume orders (such as tunnel-wash attached "detailers" and the like).



They are very friendly on the phone though, and I had no qualms about dealing with them that way.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Well, I could be wrong, but I thought this was the final word on things. If you read the actual judgement , it says that Kucala (Erazer) is only required to surrender product mfd. after 10/29/2004 (date of the preliminary injunction) so it's possible the clay being sold was mfd. prior to that date. Due to the fact that Kucala violated the preliminary injunction, they were sanctioned by the court, denied appeal, and between that and the $4 million in damages due Auto Wax Co., I kind of doubt that Kucala is doing much of anything these days. IIRC, Kucala won an early ruling (or at least they made it sound that way in their press release), but in the end I don't see how Auto Wax Co. could be seen to have "lost".
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I wasn't aware the judgment was that huge. Then again, Kucala looks like he made some extremely flagrant violations of court order.



(I used to be a paralegal, so I find stuff like that very interesting) :)
 
vicvic said:
Thanks for the deal ET_Awful!!



Phoned in for 5.. waiting for return calls for final price with shipping.. :)
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Let us know how it turns out. I'm curious to see if the low price on the clay offsets the cost of shipping to BC. :)
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Well, I could be wrong, but I thought this was the final word on things. If you read the actual judgement , it says that Kucala (Erazer) is only required to surrender product mfd. after 10/29/2004 (date of the preliminary injunction) so it's possible the clay being sold was mfd. prior to that date. Due to the fact that Kucala violated the preliminary injunction, they were sanctioned by the court, denied appeal, and between that and the $4 million in damages due Auto Wax Co., I kind of doubt that Kucala is doing much of anything these days. IIRC, Kucala won an early ruling (or at least they made it sound that way in their press release), but in the end I don't see how Auto Wax Co. could be seen to have "lost".
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So you think that the clay that he is selling now was manufactured in 04?



I wouldn't thkn he had that quantity of standing inventory.



I can assure you Kucala is shippipng product.
 
ET Awful said:
Let us know how it turns out. I'm curious to see if the low price on the clay offsets the cost of shipping to BC. :)
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no I normally get them to ship it to Point roberts,wa and pick them up there.. save some shipping and brokerage fee
 
ebpcivicsi said:
So you think that the clay that he is selling now was manufactured in 04?



I wouldn't thkn he had that quantity of standing inventory.



I can assure you Kucala is shipping product.
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If what you say is true, there might be some very interested lawyers at Auto Wax that might give you a finder's fee for that info....on the other hand, the patent infringement was on a single claim of one of the patents, so it's conceivable that they (Kucala/Erazer) are mfg. clay which doesn't infringe on that claim...the patent has 86 claims...although many are related to each other.
 
TigerMike said:
Thanks for the info...just ignore the mis-informed comments as I'm sure the majority appreciate your trying to help.



Elastic is certainly a type of clay. http://web.archive.org/web/20041010030759/www.erazer.com/elasti-clay.htm



In fact, I am not surprised it worked very well for you as many of the boutique detailing clays are elastic material (as they are all mostly the same and come from the same source as well).





Mike
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Looks like the same stuff that is sold by Zaino :dance
 
I just got an overnight FedEx outlining the court's order to NOT purchase any detailing clay or automotive products from Kucala Enterprises, KEL Mfg, the Kucalas themselves, Conventional Supply Corp, and its and their employees,agents,owners, legal counsel and relatives. Any detailer who continues to do so might get in real hot water with the law, including jail time. :eek:



It doesn't appear any re branders are included but it looks like anything Kucala/Erazer is high risk right now. I suppose if they continue to buy from him to replenish stock, they will be in trouble.



The memo also outlined the pretty strict ultimatum the judge gave Kucala. Right now it looks like he's in some seriously deep doo doo. :nervous:



The memo closes by stating it's fine to buy non infringing clay from Auto Wax.



Perhaps we're going to see a spike in clay closeouts from the rebranders as a result of the court order shortly.
 
Bill, this has become a confusing thread...looks like we're back to where I thought we were with that court order (BTW, that Kucala guy really doesn't pay much attention to the guys with the wooden mallets, does he? Although the judge in this case was a woman, I think the one whose husband got murdered). The original order required that all Kucala clay in the supply chain be collected and turned over to Auto Wax...is that no longer required (referring to your comment about closeout sales)? Is this memo available somewhere on the web, or can you scan it and put it up?



EDIT: Found a couple of links I hadn't read before giving some clay history, and mentioning at least one brand that Kucala supplied to here and here
 
I'll bet you get a conflicting memo from Kucula's attorneys tomorrow. :D When will this ever end?



The closeouts would be nice. :D
 
I was speculating about some possible closeouts around the corner. I wouldn't be surprised if I might get a conflicting statement from the other side because I originally thought the same as Setec. :confused: I'll wait on it. I don't have a scanner but I can try to post a photo. I'll wait around until if I get another statement first.



In the meantime, I'm sure some detailers and distributors on this forum got the same packet too.
 
the other part is these same lawyers and attorneys are now after Mothers and have got a law suit against them for the Cal Gold Caly Bar System.



As Mothers dont make this and Kucala does or shall we say did



Auto wax already put one of Mothers companies out of business Mark V for $4.6 million dollars



It looks like they may do the same to Mothers
 
ET Awful said:
You might want to check into that, since many types of clay ARE elastic. Chances are you're already using elastic clay to clean your vehicle.



Check this thread for example: http://autopia.org/forum/showthread.php?t=51774&highlight=elastic+clay



If you think ANY clay is actually clay, then you are misinformed. "Clay" is a mud like substance you dig out of the ground.



For instance, Wolfgang clay is elastic according to their own description: Wolfgang Elastic Poly Clay Kit is the only non-abrasive way to remove stubborn environmental contaminants, tar, and bugs!



For more info, see here: Detailing Clay (who I believe advertises on Autopia)



I'll quote from their FAQ: "Q3. What is the best clay?

A3. What label do you like? There are only a couple manufactures of clay, and the technology is protected by U.S. patents. Clay is manufactured with different levels of abrasiveness and colors to suite different applications. There are some subtle difference in technology (plastic vs. elastic material) and the firmness of the material. In general, softer clays are safer and easier to use. A firm clay cleans better with a little more risk of scuffing or scratching."



This is the "real stuff". Thanks for being insulting and condecending though.



I may be new to detailing, but at least I don't post insulting replies without researching what I'm saying first.



But whatever, I've tried to save people money on two forums now, and both times it resulted in people replying in an insulting and condecending manner.



That's the last time I post any information on good deals. Screw it. Seems like when you try to help people out, they would rather attack and insult than accept it.



I found a great deal, I'm passing it on. If you have something insulting to say, save it. If you want to take advantage of the deal do so. If you want to pretend that any of the detailing clay you use is actually "clay" I won't attempt to explain to you the difference between naturally occurring "clay", plastics, polymers, and elastics (although I work with several chemists at the pharmaceutical company I work for that might be willing to help explain the difference to you).



I may not be an expert detailer, hell I'd hardly even qualify as a novice, but I DO research what I buy before I buy it, and I do research what I say before I say it. ALL detailing clay is made of various plactics and elastics to my understanding, none of the are actually "clay."
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Jesus, dude, got a mangina? Where did he insult you or attack you? My god, man, grow a pair! And you use to be a paralegal? I have a hard time believing that if you get that insulted from an opinion. You can't work in a law office with thin skin...



If you post a sale, people have the right to comment on the sale. He never commmented on you at all, read his post. You overreacted like a 63 yr old menapausal woman.



PS...if you keep telling people you are not an experienced detailer, they'll begin to believe you...





Interesting articles to read, guys!
 
This thread's going on a year old, hardly seems worth it to be inflammatory by dredging up some old news, especially since that cache of clay is long gone.
 
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