Good mitt for ONR washing

This "muppet" type mitt IMO works great and is my go to type of wash mitt now. I use the Autofiber Zero Cuff one (the cuffs will cause marring when drug across and if your like me you do not put your hand inside the pocket and leave it on the outside) and it works awesome. I throw them out every few weeks and use another one and have not had any issues with them at all. As for using them with ONR, I do the same and believe they hold a lot of wash solution which in turn keeps from dragging a dry portion of the mitt over a dirty surface and cause scratching/marring.

As for the ONR comment above, I will just ignore it. Personal experience here with it shows that it works on ANY color and ANY priced car when used properly and not on an overly dirty vehicle. It's been proven time and time again to work with no marring by many of the members on this board and when used with these types of mitts, it provides great results.



That is my 2 cents. Take em or leave em!
 
I've used grout sponges, regular sponges, mf towels, mf covered sponges, and I've always gone back to these noodle/muppet mitts for ONR.



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i prefer the micro chenille mits or a long nap microfiber towel, just depends on the vehicle. on my celica i prefer a long nap microfiber as the micro chenille's "fingers" get caught up in my window drip molding and around tail lights. i dont use grout sponges much any more, they felt too grabby and felt like i was sanding something when i was using those for rinseless washing, so i changed to microfiber only. never experienced micro marring either, it all comes down to the correct washing method!.
 
Some sorta-random thoughts follow:



-IMO it's more like *conventional washing* is for quitters, myself included; I quit trying to ONR because I never attained the ability to wash (as close to) marring-free the way I can with my foamgun-centric wash method.



-Heh heh calling the ONR users, the ones who are *here, at this Forum*, "uninformed masses" and saying that they are "quitters" is rather inflamatory....how could it *NOT* offend certain people?!? Wording, wording, wording....no need to call somebody's baby ugly unless you're trying to start something.



-I would *NEVER* wear any mitt like a glove. No matter what wash method I'm using, I fill the mitt with solution, hold the cuff shut, and gently whisk it across the panel in an interrupted, jiggling motion. I dunk/rinse/refill/replace/[whatever] the mitt before all the wash solution seeps out.



-To affect the "glide over paint" thing, I like a *very* long/dense nap MF; I can certainly understand why shorter-nap MFs would be unsatisfactory, so no argument there. I have some MF mitts that're like that, and I've also used my (lint-prone) Shamrock MF towels, carefully folded so they can hold a lot of ONR solution (sorta like a filled mitt).



-Glad to hear the Muppet Mitt (and/or ONR in general) works well for people. At the risk of sounding "stuck in my ways" I'm not about to change what isn't broken (i.e., my wash technique), but I do find the whole Muppet Mitt topic interesting, if only as an intellectual exercise. Hey, for that matter I still find ONRing in general interesting! When somebody like Superbee364 (where is he anyhow?!?) says it's working for him (as the second step of our similar wash methods), then I believe it. I'm *almost* tempted to try it myself, for that second, or maybe third step. Almost ;)
 
I'm a very foam gun-centric user as well. However, I will eventually have ONR in my stash maybe if for nothing else, to quickly wash my car of salt air film. I'd be curious about playing around with it as a QD as well. I'd like to see its cleaning properties hands-on.
 
Accumulator said:
Some sorta-random thoughts follow:



-IMO it's more like *conventional washing* is for quitters, myself included; I quit trying to ONR because I never attained the ability to wash (as close to) marring-free the way I can with my foamgun-centric wash method.



-Heh heh calling the ONR users, the ones who are *here, at this Forum*, "uninformed masses" and saying that they are "quitters" is rather inflamatory....how could it *NOT* offend certain people?!? Wording, wording, wording....no need to call somebody's baby ugly unless you're trying to start something.



-I would *NEVER* wear any mitt like a glove. No matter what wash method I'm using, I fill the mitt with solution, hold the cuff shut, and gently whisk it across the panel in an interrupted, jiggling motion. I dunk/rinse/refill/replace/[whatever] the mitt before all the wash solution seeps out.



-To affect the "glide over paint" thing, I like a *very* long/dense nap MF; I can certainly understand why shorter-nap MFs would be unsatisfactory, so no argument there. I have some MF mitts that're like that, and I've also used my (lint-prone) Shamrock MF towels, carefully folded so they can hold a lot of ONR solution (sorta like a filled mitt).



-Glad to hear the Muppet Mitt (and/or ONR in general) works well for people. At the risk of sounding "stuck in my ways" I'm not about to change what isn't broken (i.e., my wash technique), but I do find the whole Muppet Mitt topic interesting, if only as an intellectual exercise. Hey, for that matter I still find ONRing in general interesting! When somebody like Superbee364 (where is he anyhow?!?) says it's working for him (as the second step of our similar wash methods), then I believe it. I'm *almost* tempted to try it myself, for that second, or maybe third step. Almost ;)
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I have not seen any empirical evidence to support ONR washing as a viable method to supplant regular washing with a two or three bucket method.



You guys are starting to sound like the former Soviet Union. " ONR is awesome, it is way better than sex, gold, and good food"
 
opie7afe said:
In my educated opinion, I believe that ONR increases the chance for micromarring. This can occur even under the best circumstances. You would need to be really careful to even consider ONR on a black vehicle. I know that it makes a mobile detailer's job easier, but at the expense of potential micromarring of the surface.



I would bet that it is not used often on the $ 100 k plus cars. I hope the quitters remark did not offend anyone, but that is my opinion and I will be glad to debate this with anyone on the planet.
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I understand your point but I do see a use for rinseless washes. I dont think it replaces when needed a conventional wash.



We drive to every major event. There is not often a place to do a conventional wash nor fit all the gear. Albeit the vehicles have been fully detailed and protected they still require some clean up upon arrival. Rinseless and waterless is the most viable option in this case. Care has to be taken no matter what kind of wash.



As for results a black 16M, black 365GTC 4 ,red 512bbi

received Best of Future Classics, Platinum, Silver respectively at an FCA National event driven from OH to WI. While not 100k cars I don't think they did too bad for that kind of distance without a hose to wash.
 
The bottom line for me is, ONR works for how I use it - as a more convenient, less involved method of washing the car when a full-on wash is over-kill and not really necessary. If the car only has road dust or minor after-rain dirt, a careful rinse-less wash is ideal. Why hose wash a lightly soiled car and then have to blow rinse-water out of every nook and cranny? Also, I often wash the car in the garage, so not flooding it out with a full-wash every time I want to clean the car is a real benefit. After a no-rinse wash, the garage floor is barely wet and the place dries quickly. I don't spend additional time and effort sweeping/pushing excess water into the driveway.



I actually clean the car more often than before ONR. Prior, I would just let the car be till I could do a full-wash, I never QD'd the entire car (only spot-clean a bird bomb, etc). If it was going to rain in a day or so, I would just wait...I'm not gonna spend an hour and a half to two hours doing a full-on hose-wash if there's a chance of rain the next day. Now, I can do a rinse-less wash in less time and drive a clean car where otherwise it would be dusty/dirty. Is every corner and crevice as clean/detailed as when I do a full-on wash? No, but the car looks a lot better than it did.



Regarding micro-marring, I guess you have to ask yourself what you're trying to accomplish with your car. If you're trying to avoid marring that's only visible under high powered lighting, is that a reasonable goal for a daily driven or even a Sunday car? If it's a pure show car that's going to Pebble Beach or whatever and its paint clarity is being judged down to the micro-scratch, then that's something else. As long as the car looks nearly swirl, spider-web and scratch free in sunlight, that's good enough for me. No matter how careful you are when washing, when driving, any little piece of kicked-up road debris skating across the paint can cause marring.



I'm not trying to convince anyone though, that's a futile effort. The above is my opinion. The only thing I remember from Psychology 101...you can't change a person's mind about something they firmly believe.
 
I agree with RobD. I feel like there are quite a few that preach paint perfection but few that actually live that life with their own car (Accumulator emphatically excluded!).
 
RobD makes very valid points. The washing conditions he described are probably plenty good for the great majority of Autopians
 
Eh, I do appreciate where opie7afe is coming from, if not his way of expressing it, but just because *I* can't do something that doesn't mean that nobody can. Have I done a marring-free wash with ONR? Yeah, twice in fact. But more often than not I caused some minor issues that my regular style of wash would *not* have. That doesn't mean that nobody else can use ONR without issues though, and I'm not about to call certain ONR users liars :grinno:



RobD said:
Regarding micro-marring, I guess you have to ask yourself what you're trying to accomplish with your car. If you're trying to avoid marring that's only visible under high powered lighting, is that a reasonable goal for a daily driven or even a Sunday car? ..
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Dan said:
I feel like there are quite a few that preach paint perfection but few that actually live that life with their own car (Accumulator emphatically excluded!) .
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Thanks, Dan :D



I guess what I'm trying to accomplish is- not messing up my vehicles if I can avoid it.



Yeah, the kind of ?is-it-micro?-marring that I get with ONR (or a careless conventional wash) is simply unacceptable to me, even on the beaters that have so many RIDS and other paint issues that they could only be fixed with a 5-figure paintjob. Paint issues that are *my fault*...that's what bugs me. Holograms, wash-induced marring, stuff like that bothers me much more than paint issues that are actually much more serious!



Heh heh, if you Autopians saw my older Crown Vic (and maybe the Tahoe and the older Audi too) you'd simply die, but the damage wasn't my doing so it doesn't bug me very much.



Hmmm :think: this reminds me of another thread where I was all :nono: about sombody curb-rashing their wheel or hitting a spoiler lip or somesuch...Don't [screw] up the vehicle! Ever! And if you do, get it fixed right, and right away too. Easy for me to spend other people's money, huh?



RobD said:
I actually clean the car more often than before ONR. Prior, I would just let the car be till I could do a full-wash, I never QD'd the entire car (only spot-clean a bird bomb, etc). If it was going to rain in a day or so, I would just wait...I'm not gonna spend an hour and a half to two hours doing a full-on hose-wash if there's a chance of rain the next day...
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Noting that my quickest wash was maybe 3 hours of very hard work (tougher than running a few miles, that's for sure)...I resemble the above remark :chuckle: So yeah, a few of my vehicles are usually in serious need of washing, and I don't mean "just a bit dirty" by a long shot! But the dirty paint is free of wash-induced marring ;) And if I really care I can drive one of the clean ones.
 
Accumulator, while I'm certainly very impressed with your car care practices, they're likely shared by only a very small group of detailers. While I do want to perform safe washes, I also want to wash the car regularly - sometimes twice a week. So, limiting myself to 3 hour top-flight washes is just not practical. And, since road cars will inevitably encounter some wear and tear, I'm not concerned about keeping the paint 99% mar-free. IMHO, what's the point? I take excellent care of my cars and want them to look their best, but within reason.



But, we all do what makes up happy, so more power to you.
 
With OptiCoat on my car ONR allows me to keep my daily driver looking at 80-90% at least 5-6 days a week with only 2-3 ONR washes per week (depending on the weather) instead of looking 95% a couple of days/week and 60-70% the other days while waiting for time and weather to do a full wash......and probably spending less time in the total weekly process using ONR instead of full wash. These results are during good weather....in the winter ONR is a huge advantage over a regular wash since it may be weeks or even longer between washes.



As to marring.....on a daily driver imo it is difficult to prevent 100% of marring but IME washing a lightly soiled car often with ONR is no more likely to induce micromarring than washing a very dirty car periodically....especially if you don't have 3 hours to do an "accumulator" type wash.



I took an ONR maintained 1999 GS400 to Chris @ Optimum to have it OptiCoated a couple of years ago and he was very impressed with the condition of the paint and other than a couple of scratches from road debris only needed to do a finishing polish before applying the OptiCoat. Although I am no expert or professional, his opinion convinced me that my methodology wasn't too shabby and satisfied me. I am more interested in trying to keep my daily driver looking as good as possible as many days as possible than trying to make it look like a showdog periodically.



Just my $0.02.
 
RobD said:
Accumulator, while I'm certainly very impressed with your car care practices, they're likely shared by only a very small group of detailers...
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Oh absolutely [freakin'] right! No argument there, heh heh...hence my frequent Autopian Heresy advice (i.e., "don't go overboard with this stuff, be reasonable") with regard to what others do. It's my spin on the old "do as I say, not as I do" :chuckle:



.. And, since road cars will inevitably encounter some wear and tear, I'm not concerned about keeping the paint 99% mar-free. IMHO, what's the point?
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The "wear and tear", IMO, is a really cool type of "patina" when on a basically marring-free vehicle. You know...worn-through plating on door handles, rock chips, dents...but no swirls. Hard to verbalize, and maybe kinda nutty, but yeah...whatever turns my crank, huh?
 
Oh sheesh, this thread's kinda gone off-track, in part due to Yours Truly :o



Back to the topic- what about the different types of wash mitts? Any comments or :argue about the Muppet vs. Shaggy? What about those Wookie's Fist things? I always figured those were *too* fine/plush/etc. :think: I can feel the same way about the Griot's sheepskin mitts, which I reserve for special situations.
 
I have been using ONR with this Meguiar's Microfiber Wash Mitt. I don't put my hand inside the mitt though. The MF is very fluffy and seems to capture the dirt well.
 
What do you guys think of the foam wash mitts? Do they clean well? Are they durable? Will the foam keep dirt/debris away from the paint? I see Optimum has one. TIA
 
Accumulator said:
Oh sheesh, this thread's kinda gone off-track, in part due to Yours Truly :o



Back to the topic- what about the different types of wash mitts? Any comments or :argue about the Muppet vs. Shaggy? What about those Wookie's Fist things? I always figured those were *too* fine/plush/etc. :think: I can feel the same way about the Griot's sheepskin mitts, which I reserve for special situations.
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I usually pack the Griots sheepskin and their Green MF for lighter dirt and a muppet for heavier on long trips to shows. Grab both hotel trash cans after rinsing out for a two bucket rinseless wash.



You can barely fit clothes for the weekend in some of the cars nevertheless a bucket w/grit guard.



In a more controlled environment any of the three based on condition have been good options. Have been curious about the wookie.
 
CONCOURS.JOHN said:
I usually pack the Griots sheepskin and their Green MF for lighter dirt and a muppet for heavier on long trips to shows...
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I've always wondered about their different plush MFs....the one for rinseless washing, the one for SpeedShining...never figured out the supposed diffs :think:



RobD said:
What do you guys think of the foam wash mitts? Do they clean well? Are they durable? Will the foam keep dirt/debris away from the paint? I see Optimum has one. TIA
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The only one I've used was basically the same as washing with a sponge.
 
Weaselboy said:
I have been using ONR with this Meguiar's Microfiber Wash Mitt. I don't put my hand inside the mitt though. The MF is very fluffy and seems to capture the dirt well.
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Yeah, I gotta keep in mind that with ONR the idea is to "capture the dirt", very different from my conventional wash.



That mitt looks very similar to some of the MF mitts I have. Does yours lint much?
 
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