Good base for UPP...besides AIO

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fireberd350

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I must say I love my UPP, I picked it up for free from PAC and have already ordered another one and got 2 friends to order bottles! The stuff is great.

Anyways, what can I use for a base for it? I will be compounding with 3M PI-III RC and end with UPP. I was thinking of using VM in between, is this OK?


My available products are:
SSR 2.5
NXT
1Z PP
VM
EX
EX-P
Natty's
Liquid Glass

Thanks for any tips, and don't mention AIO, I know its THE base to use but I don't have it and don't plan on buying it until next season!
 
I was thinking that too but I heard Natty's may remove some of the slickness.

Also, what is the recommendations as far as layering UPP? Time left on paint before buffing off - Time between coats - And amount of coats?
 
I thought that Nattys was a carnuba based wax with no cleaners, at least that's everything that I have read about it here.

On the layering of UPP I would wait 24 hours and then do it again. As for sure time before buffing I leave mine on for 60 minutes. I do this because at that point in the detail I have other things that I can do until its time to buff off.

How many layers I do beleive is up to you for me two at the max is all that I have ever done, however my cars are garage queens. After the second cost I like to top with a good carnuba wax for a great shine
 
I have 3 waxes - #16, Natty's and FK1s pink wax. They all reduce slickness in my applications but look wise they are a must. Plus no one should be touching your paint anyways! :D
 
My UPP process is:

1) Apply UPP, let it stand for 1-2 hours.
2) Remove via the PC & a microfiber bonnet
3) Apply a second coat and let it sit overnight
4) Remove in the morning via PC and a microfiber.

Yes, I know that it 'breaks' the 24 hour rule, but I've tried both and like the results from the process above the best.

I apply UPP with a very damp (almost wet) applicator.
 
I love UPP!

Question: why is it that you don't want to use AIO as a base? AIO is a perfect base for UPP, and is my current favorite combo!

I would be a little concerned using VM as a base for UPP, since it has fillers. There may be bonding issues.
 
I like SSR 1 under UPP when it is on a light colored car.
I am in the process of evaluating 4* UPC as the base ... so far it has a clearer look than AIO.
Natty's looks great on top of UPP ... a much wetter look, but it does reduce the slickness of the UPP ... it is a trade-off :(
FWIW, The instructions say to use a dry applicator.
 
Rob Tomlin said:
I love UPP!

Question: why is it that you don't want to use AIO as a base? AIO is a perfect base for UPP, and is my current favorite combo!

I would be a little concerned using VM as a base for UPP, since it has fillers. There may be bonding issues.
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I've spent way too much money on stuff this year, I'm sure I have something that is compatable for the time being, don't worry AIO is on my list!
 
fireberd350 said:
I've spent way too much money on stuff this year, I'm sure I have something that is compatable for the time being, don't worry AIO is on my list!
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Got ya!

In that case you can use SSR2.5 with a polishing pad. It doesn't cause micro marring, surprisingly, and has no fillers.
 
kimwallace said:
I like SSR 1 under UPP when it is on a light colored car.
I am in the process of evaluating 4* UPC as the base ... so far it has a clearer look than AIO.
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I agree. SSR1 under UPP looks great on light paint. :bigups One of these days I want to try UPC as well... 4* products have yet to disappoint me.
 
Got to ask.

What is VM ? I can't find it in the Acronym list.

Signed,
A thirsty newbie

OK.. I figured it out. Vanilla Moose. Right ?

Thanks Rob
 
For now, 1Z PP looks like your best option (IMO) given the fact you are compounding with 3M PI III. 1Z PP is a great polish that gives a high gloss. You could even apply VM thereafter. Should not need SSR2.5 after 3M PIII. As mentioned, 4* UPC is a great choice and one that you may want to put on your future list. It produces nice results.

Remember to try and use the least aggressive product to get the look that you desire. No sense hitting the paint with more than it needs.The message simply is, less is better on paint.

One may have four or five polishes and a slew of compounds. Select the one most applicable for the task at hand. Each detail will have its own prescription.
 
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