Goo Gone

Navi Man said:
Intel486,



I'm not sure what the chemical make up of either product is, but solvents in themselves aren't harmful to the paint if properly used. Typically these products will contain some mineral spirits and an aromatic solvent such as Aromatic 100. Neither of these products I mentioned will harm cured paint and especially factory finishes. It will strip off all the wax though and a good application of wax will be necessary to restore the gloss and protection.
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Yes, be used or misused...



Even turpentine (recommended by two detailers that work on cars that are $$$$$$$$$$$) can be "useful" for sap removal (if used carefully and when needed).



http://www.autoint.com/ford_tree_sap_removal__there_are.htm
 
Navi Man said:
Intel486,



I'm not sure what the chemical make up of either product is, but solvents in themselves aren't harmful to the paint if properly used. Typically these products will contain some mineral spirits and an aromatic solvent such as Aromatic 100. Neither of these products I mentioned will harm cured paint and especially factory finishes. It will strip off all the wax though and a good application of wax will be necessary to restore the gloss and protection.
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Ummm... Solvents can damage paint. It just depends on the solvent. Acetone will destroy the paint's resin.



I'll request the MSDS sheets for Goo Gone and Goof Off and see what I can come up with.
 
Intel486



I agree there are solvents that can be very damaging to paints. My reference was just in the general statement your Pro Distributor rep made regarding solvents being harmful to paint. That's why I made the statement, if used properly. Using Acetone for cleaning a vehicle wouldn't be a proper use of that product, unless you were prepping for a repaint. I would be intersted to know what the active ingredients are in each product, but as I recall, there is nothing in either product that would be harmful to the paint. When you get the info, please pass it along. I would be curious.
 
Navi Man said:
. My reference was just in the general statement your Pro Distributor rep made regarding solvents being harmful to paint.
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He didn't use the term solvents in general in the statement. He just said the solvents used in that product are harmful to paint. He never said all solvents are harmful to paint. He's been in the business for 15 years so I hope he knows what he is talking about. In fact, several times when we've been talking he's discussed the use of solvents in various products Pro uses. I think he would probably be an idiot to say Pro use solvents in this product and then turn around and say all solvents are bad for paint.
 
Intel486,



I think your Pro Distributor is a little misinformed. I pulled up the MSDS on Goo Gone, but it doesn't list the ingredients. It does say that it contains a Citrus Base solvent, which I assume is D'Limonene, an orange extract solvent. I have posted a link to their FAQ page, and it appears that Goo Gone would be safe to use on a car. It's a combustible product with a 133 degree flash, so it would be reasonable to assume it wouldn't have any fast reacting solvents such as Acetone or other similar products. I have also added a link to Goof Off, and It also appears to be safe for cars. They mention that it will take dried latex paint off without harming the oil based paint and is recommended for removing tree sap on cars. I suspect that the ingredients are similar to Goo Gone. Hope this clears things up regarding the use of these two products.



http://www.magicamerican.com/faq.shtml



http://www.goof-off.com/goofoff/PRODUCTS/goofoff.html
 
Navi Man said:
Intel486,



I think your Pro Distributor is a little misinformed. I pulled up the MSDS on Goo Gone, but it doesn't list the ingredients. It does say that it contains a Citrus Base solvent, which I assume is D'Limonene, an orange extract solvent. I have posted a link to their FAQ page, and it appears that Goo Gone would be safe to use on a car. It's a combustible product with a 133 degree flash, so it would be reasonable to assume it wouldn't have any fast reacting solvents such as Acetone or other similar products. I have also added a link to Goof Off, and It also appears to be safe for cars. They mention that it will take dried latex paint off without harming the oil based paint and is recommended for removing tree sap on cars. I suspect that the ingredients are similar to Goo Gone. Hope this clears things up regarding the use of these two products.



http://www.magicamerican.com/faq.shtml



http://www.goof-off.com/goofoff/PRODUCTS/goofoff.html
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Our specific conversation didn't cover Goo Gone. I was just assuming it had a similar makeup since both products do the same thing.



I'm trying to request the MSDS info for Goof Off.
 
"This is actually kind of funny this thread was here. I just got back from my Pro distributor this morning and he said Goof Off and Goo Gone are high in solvents and not safe for painted surfaces or vinyl."



The reason I brought up both products was because of what you had posted above. Chances are the Goof Off MSDS won't tell you much either as they always list those things as proprietary formulations.



I work for a large independent chemical distributor and I am very familiar with solvents and their uses. 25+ years in the business and I guess I've been able to retain something. Hopefully you don't think I was trying to rain on your parade, as I have always valued your input on your knowledge of car detailing products and procedures. I just thought I would interject my input in a area I happen to have a lot of experience with.
 
Intel486



I found the msds on Goof Off and it contains Glycol Ether EB, Xylene and Toluene. It also lists Ethyl Benzene, but this a component of Toluene and Xylene. There is just a small amount of Toluene in it (less than 5%). Solvent EB is commonly found in household cleaners such as Formula 409 and it is also listed at about 5%. It's not a great cleaner in itself, but it will mix with water and also helps nonmiscible solvents mix with water. Xylene is the main ingredient. Toluene is the harshest solvent in the product, but in such a small amount, it wouldn't be anything to worry about. Xylene is an excellent wax and grease remover, so you would definitley have to follow up with a wax application after using it. This product shouldn't harm factory finishes, but like I mentioned, a good wax will be necessary after using it. I would caution anyone from getting it on rubber moldings though.
 
Xylene would be fine for paint as a spot remover. Goof Off isn't 100% Xylene anyway, as it has other ingredients in their also. There are a lot of components of Lacquer Thinners that aren't very aggressive, such as Isopropyl Alcohol and Lactol that won't harm paint. Typically Lacquer Thinners also have Acetone, MEK and other similar type products that are very aggressive and can harm the paint. I'm not endorsing these products as an everyday use type product, but Goo Gone and Goof Off should be fine for spot removing on the exterior of a vehicle that has properly cured paint.
 
4DSC said:
Someone else once mentioned that xylene (as a component of lacquer thinner) was bad for paint... :confused:
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Maybe you read something I wrote. I wrote that xylene was a scarey substance. It is, for people. Only use it in an extremely well ventilated area.
 
Taxlady said:
Maybe you read something I wrote. I wrote that xylene was a scarey substance. It is, for people. Only use it in an extremely well ventilated area.
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I can't remember... but I'm pretty sure it was in reference to car paint and not people (heck, lots of stuff we use probably isn't the best for you :p). It might've been SRL.
 
Xylene shouldn't be harmful to cured paint as long as it is used in moderation. Products with xylene in them make for a great tar remover, as it quickly breaks down the tar and allows it to be wiped off. Their are other products on the market that will perform equally well, but you shouldn't be afraid to use an xylene based product if necessary. Like I mentioned previously, a wax should follow to protect the paint. It's always best to test a small amount in an inconspicuous area just to be sure.
 
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