Gonna try HD UNO v4...

[Flannigan]

Is it wrong of me to not have much faith in a product that have 5 versions? I don't know anything about it, but it doesn't leave me feeling all warm and fuzzy inside when a comapny has to release 5 version of a product.

 

[Paul Sparks]

Are u being sarcastic?

No Mark I follow 3D and their postings on Autopia .org . I do have the HD Uno that was given out at SEMA by Tunch Goren the owner of 3D. I have used the Uno I have from 11/12 but not enough to have a opinion so far. They did just release their new products this week and I will try them when time allows.
As for trusting a company that keeps coming out with newer versions , as long as it is improved and lives up to the hype , I have no problem.

 

[Bunky]

Companies can have different philosophy: continuous evolution or steady state.

A lot has to do with how close you are to users and the distribution method. For example, companies like Do Do just invent products when in the mood. Optimum and others get feedback and quickly roll out new technology. Companies like Meg's have massive distribution, branding, education, etc. so cannot always update products every year except at consumer level.

 

[Todd@RUPES]

+1.

Let's back off and agree that we are all entitled to our own opinions even if we don't share them with others. Civil discussion is one thing, but can we please keep it civil. This is not the forum for that.

I am proud of that fact that AutopiaForums allows open discussion on any product line and we allow (respectful) disagreements as long as they lead to open discussion.

Please help me help you keep AutopiaForums the way it is.

Thanks guys:bigups

Todd

 

[C. Charles Hahn]

You didn't answer my question either. How long have those other products been out?

Guess I didn't see you ask that question, sorry. How long were the other products out before being revised the first time... a year or two maybe?

ONR is on version three and has been out longer than Uno which is on version 5. Again, I don't know what your deal is, but I simpily stated my opnion and you got all upset.

One thing I can assure you of is that I have at no point in this discussion been upset. I simply stated that I don't agree with your opinion (and gave related examples) and asked you to explain why you feel the way you do out of pure curiosity, and got jumped for it.

Also ONR worked great in it's first version where I have read multiple acount of HD Uno v1 not working all that well.

Valid and true point; I chalk that up to the risk one takes in being an early adopter. Sometimes it pans out (ONR), sometimes it doesn't (UNOv1). In the end as long as the product continues to improve I see no reason not to give it a fair shot as it goes through revisions based on consumer feedback.

Again, I'm not slamming a product since I haven't even tried it, I was just stating how I felt about a product having 5 version. You are entitled to your opinion too, chill.

No need to chill, I'm just stating how I feel about products that have been revised multiple times.

For the record I haven't been much of a fan of UNO up to this point either (and yes, I have used it) and I'm also not a huge fan of the extreme claims 3D has made about this latest version being a "game changer" for the industry, but I also am open to the idea that they have made improvements that allow it to be a viable product. Only time will tell the tale.

 

[Flannigan]

Fair enough.

 

[Wax2aMax]

I have UNO 3 and 4...very good polishes...very easy to remove. I can't really tell the difference between the two. Some say UNO4 is easier to remove. I use a flat orange pad to cut and red HT pad to finish.

From reading, the new HD polishes are for finishing and the "next" UNO (v5 if you will) will cut better than earlier versions. HD calls them game changers (?? we'll see).

I still go to my Menzernas mostly.

 

[ZL1Mark]

With the "new" line-up of 3D pads, they follow the color scheme of B&S pads. I'm wondering if they're the exact same pads with HD stamped on them?

 

[Bunky]

With the "new" line-up of 3D pads, they follow the color scheme of B&S pads. I'm wondering if they're the exact same pads with HD stamped on them?

That is what I thought.

 

[pwaug]

With the "new" line-up of 3D pads, they follow the color scheme of B&S pads. I'm wondering if they're the exact same pads with HD stamped on them?

I believe the old version HD pads with the black barrier were made by B&S and these sure look to be identical to the B&S pads.

 

[ZL1Mark]

I believe the old version HD pads with the black barrier were made by B&S and these sure look to be identical to the B&S pads.

That's fine, as the B&S pads are excellent, but you can get them a lot cheaper elsewhere.

Disclaimer: I'm not saying for sure that the HD pads are the exact same as the B&S pads.

 

[Paul Sparks]

That's fine, as the B&S pads are excellent, but you can get them a lot cheaper elsewhere.

Disclaimer: I'm not saying for sure that the HD pads are the exact same as the B&S pads.

If my memory is correct , 3D has a new white pad out that is a great cutting pad according to claims.

 

[ZL1Mark]

If my memory is correct , 3D has a new white pad out that is a great cutting pad according to claims.

I saw a white heavy cutting pad on the 3D site, but not on the hd car care site. The pads on the hd car care site don't have the hard foam backing, and follow the same color scheme as the B&S pads.

 

[C. Charles Hahn]

I saw a white heavy cutting pad on the 3D site, but not on the hd car care site. The pads on the hd car care site don't have the hard foam backing, and follow the same color scheme as the B&S pads.

From what was said in the live chat over on Autopia last Thursday, those white pads are discontinued aside from selling off remaining stock.

 

[ZL1Mark]

From what was said in the live chat over on Autopia last Thursday, those white pads are discontinued aside from selling off remaining stock.

Yea, makes sense. I'd be VERY surprised if HD didn't move the new pads to the exact same as the B&S pads, and stamped them with "HD". The color schemes are exact and I've heard B&S made the previous pads for HD. Then again, this is just an assumption, I'm not positive.

On a side note, 3D sent me UNO v3 instead of v4. I returned it and I'm gonna try the new 2 step polishing system with UNO advanced cut and polish. This is a completely new system, no longer one product that can do everything, but 2. Completely different chemical make-up.

 

[C. Charles Hahn]

This is a completely new system, no longer one product that can do everything, but 2. Completely different chemical make-up.

Correct.

 

[ZL1Mark]

Correct.

I'm looking forward to trying the duo.

 

[Hoytman]

Correct.

Charlie, you agreed with what Mark stated and I am in agreement with you. I've been following some about HD UNO and they are indeed offering it as a 2 step system.

I did get sort of confused from a particular thread, of which I don't recall, and for some reason it had me thinking that one site may offer the lastest versions, and the 3D site may continue to offer the older labeled version 3. Of course I may have totally misunderstood what I read and got my wires crossed...I was getting very sleepy at the time I thought I read that.

I'm sort of like Mark, I went seeking the white pads, but I never did find them on either site. Perhaps I overlooked them, but I thought I understood Mark to say they may be selling off old stock at this point.

I may wait on trying it at this point just to be nosey and see how people end up liking it. I had planned on using the 1 step Uno for exactly that, a one-step, but it looks as though I'll keep considering Carpro's Fixer until the urge to buy something hits. I've been wanting to contact my buddy Garry Dean as well and try some of his stuff because I'd like to help him out. Garry's been really good to help me plenty of times.

 

[rzatch]

According to this from their site it can still be used as a 1 step unless you want a high end finish.



One of the great advantages of UNO V4 for the weekend detailer like myself is that you don't have to buy 2 or 3 products. It seems like the new UNO doesn't have that ability to finish down so you have to also have HD Polish on hand. Will you continue to have UNO V4 available or will it eventually go away?



You should try the new UNO and Im sure you will be more then please with the finish!!! Its amazing and offers a much higher level of a finish then before. The polish is just for that fine, perfect finish a lot of high end guys are looking for. Just like the old versions of UNO, on soft to med soft clears you will see a marring but no marring on harder clear coats. Its amazing and Im know you will be happy using it as your UNO as a single one product. Good luck and let me know your results once you have used it.




I've seen this term mentioned several times by you so I have to ask, what is a "high end finish"?


Jason
A "High End Finish" is one acceptable to the industry standards as professional paint defect removal offering both shine and depth to the painted surface. Its one thing to get shine out of paint but yet another to get depth. Anyone can get a good paint nice and shinny but its not all that easy to get the depth out of it as well. There are two things that high end professional detailers are looking to accomplish in paint restoration. One is obviously shine and the other being depth. In order to get the depth out of paint its imperative to get a large percentage of the paint defects removed from the paint. So, by using "true cut" products like HD UNO and HD POLISH your sure to end up with a beautiful "High End Finish"

Depending upon the paint damage and the paint correction required its important to get the paint as close to defect free as possible by using the right pieces of equipment, proper choice of pads and of course the right choice of chemicals to achieve the amount of correction needed to offer both shine and depth.

I see work a lot whereas guys think they have done an amazing job in polishing a vehicles paint. But, As a professional I look to see if the deepest damage, and the finest scratches have been removed before I call it a High End Finish...

It may be easy to accomplish a high end finish and It could be very difficult to find it as well. There are a lot of variables that need to be considered in order to get the results your looking for.

Hope that helps you out a bit... And let me know if there is anything else you need... Good luck

 

[ZL1Mark]

You should try the new UNO and Im sure you will be more then please with the finish!!! Its amazing and offers a much higher level of a finish then before. The polish is just for that fine, perfect finish a lot of high end guys are looking for. Just like the old versions of UNO, on soft to med soft clears you will see a marring but no marring on harder clear coats. Its amazing and Im know you will be happy using it as your UNO as a single one product. Good luck and let me know your results once you have used it.