Glazes between Layers of Carnauba??

Green Monster

Green Monster

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Do you guys/gals really think that either GECP or #7 will totally remove the layer of Carnauba wax under it?



I used to layer #26/#7/#26 over #20 all the time thinking it was doing great.



Now I am looking to layer P21S/GEPC/P21S/GECP/P21S over my 2xAIO/3xSG for the ulimate deep wet look.



I have used #7 before I believe it does not have much cutting power and from what I have heard GEPC is about the same but easier to work with.



My Ranger is Dark Green and in "polish perfect condition" see My Gallery .
 
I think the GEPC would remove the P21s, AIO and SG. No? I mean it IS a polish that removes old wax (as gentle as it is).



If you're surface is in good shape (I'm sure it is!) then start with the GEPC as a nice surface prep then lay down layers of AIO, SG and P21s.



This way you'll save product, time and money.



The #7 is a glaze with minimal cleaning properties (I believe) so I don't think it would strip the wax too much. But I would lay down the #7 first then do the #26.



Again, just my $.02 worth. We all have our strategies.
 
If you want to add a little depth and fill some minor surface marring with minimal cleansing between coats of carnuaba I believe Mother's Sealer and Glaze would meet your needs. A lot easier to use than Meg#7 and does a nice job. Easy on easy off without streaking or oily feel to finish. :wavey
 
My personal view is that you can't "sandwich" glaze between wax layers and that the solvents in glazes play havoc with "waxes" in general, but haven't proven it one way or another (with carnauba anyway).



That's my $0.02.....
 
You can't layer GEPC over wax. Everytime you use it all you are doing is stripping off the wax. That wouldn't be very smart. You can't layer AIO either. Just do one layer of AIO and you can skip the GEPC. 3 layers of SG is a good plan and then go nuts topping it with carnauba. I learned awhile back that I don't need to use every product on my shelf when I detail. There is a time for glazes and a time for sealants. Not all products necessarily work well together.
 
If I remember correctly, mothers sealer and glaze says it can be applied on top of previous coats of wax. I'm not sure if that means it will strip off the wax so it can bond or if it will form a coat on top of the wax.
 
The truck has on it now 2xAIO, 3xSG, and 2xP21S.



I was just looking to try something to see if I could get it to shine and look wetter even more than it is now. I know its crazy but it very additive. :D
 
Green Monster said:
The truck has on it now 2xAIO, 3xSG, and 2xP21S.



I was just looking to try something to see if I could get it to shine and look wetter even more than it is now. I know its crazy but it very additive. :D
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One of the important items about detailing I have learned here is the gloss enhancement is highly skewed towards the prep. At the present time I work the finish ( high- medium-light cut polishes, and SMR. If work the finish until realistically as perfect and glossy as I like and can achieve. I continue with a glaze , which in most cases increases gloss. What I look for in my protectant is to maintain this appearance and add a little depth and wetness. Using this technique I believe that I can make Zaino appear more carnuaba-like and less "plastic" on black if I ever tried it again.

What I am trying to say is that you may be chasing your tail trying to make the finish glossier beyond your present substrate's ( prep finish) maximum. Try bumping up the gloss prior to the AIO with a light polish ( Perfect-It-II Light Cut) than SMR.



Green Monster, there is nothing wrong with raising your personal bar. I do it all the time.:xyxthumbs
 
blkZ28Conv said:
At the present time I work the finish ( high- medium-light cut polishes, and SMR. If work the finish until realistically as perfect and glossy as I like and can achieve.
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There seems to be an underlying thread of confusion on Autopia and other detailing boards about the relative aggressiveness of the available polishes. Since you have a critical eye and do so much experimenting Edwin, it would be informative and interesting if you would post a listing of how you rate the aggressiveness of the polishes that you’ve tried.



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I put #7 over 3 coats of Klasse and then topped off with S100 and this is what I got.

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Hi Nick,

My experience with machine polishes is limited to the 3M line.

When I refer to "light" I am using their Perfect-It II Rubbing Compd Fine Cut (39002), Heavy Cut is the Super Duty Rubbing Compd (39004) and I use their Finish Restorer as a Medium agent. This is followed by their new SMR Prefect-It-III (05937) which has mild cut power for swirl elimination rather than filling. I feel comfortable with these products. As you know Nick that the working of the product with varying pressure is the trick and alot of courage. Heavy Cut will scare the heck of of you -- "hazy city". ;)

It would be nice if there were a progressive abrasion chart incorporating all product lines that would set-up a map to that perfect gloss. This may be next winter's project... Try some of the newer polishing systems and try to intergrate them with may experience with 3M.





Lapis 986 - Looking good!!! :xyxthumbs
 
Sorry guys I couldnt hold off not posthing the pics. I did not currently apply klasse before the #7. It was just on and I figured what the hell. All I have to say is that I missed the look carnubas gave being an exclusive klasse user. I will probably be sticking to s100 or pinnacle for the summer and going back to the longer lasting stuff over the winter.
 
Brian (4DSC) found out that MOTHER's Sealer/Glaze strips Klasse, so it's likely that #7 will do the same ¡V it¡Â¦s all in the solvents. So what you have on your 986 are #7 and S100¡K it¡Â¦s a good combo!



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blkZ28Conv said:
When I refer to "light" I am using their Perfect-It II Rubbing Compd Fine Cut (39002), Heavy Cut is the Super Duty Rubbing Compd (39004) and I use their Finish Restorer as a Medium agent. This is followed by their new SMR Prefect-It-III (05937) which has mild cut power for swirl elimination rather than filling.
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Thanks for the info! I haven’t heard of 3M’s Finish Restorer - would you please tell us more about it? Or were you refering to the P21S/S100 product?



For those of you who are interested in 3M’s SMR replacement, Perfect-It III Machine Glaze (05937), that’s the quart size. The number for the 16 oz bottle is 39012.
 
Good morning Nick,

3M Body Repair Finish Restorer (03902) is a product I tried about 4 years ago ( pre-Autopian days) that I picked up at Wally World. As a stand alone product it was quickly placed in my " not to use cabinet" because it produced a hazy. This was partly (mostly) due to my inexperience at the time with polishes stronger then Meg's #1 and #2 and hand application. But when used with PC and my step matter is a perfect adjunct to eliminating and filling swirls and surface imperfections. This product does have fillers and wax and performs it activity via solvents.



Product description: Excellent for hand or machine use. 3M Finish Restorer rapidly cleans and removes fine and medium scratches, imperfections, oxidation and stubborn stains.



Even though this product has a wax in it, I was not too concerned because my next step with the Perfect-It III Machine Glaze (05937) will remove most of it. I am presently looking for a "pure" medium polish (grit) which target 3000 grit like swirls. I think I am going to try the new Perfect-It III Trizact Machine Glaze for this job. It is advertised to remove grade P3000 sand scratches.



The paint shop gave me a deal for the quart - $22. :nixweiss
 
Below is a response from Forrest from Mothers about being able to use their Sealer and Glaze over wax:



Sealer and Glaze can be put over the top of carnauba, but as you said, you'll need to put another coat of carnauba over the top of it to protect the glaze.



I alternate layers all summer long on one of my cars, and then strip it off in the fall.



It should work fine.
 
Thanks for all the inputs!!! :xyxthumbs



One of the important items about detailing I have learned here is the gloss enhancement is highly skewed towards the prep.
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I agree completely and it was prep to I believe the best it could be. :cool:



So basically there is no glaze that we can use in between layers of wax that won't strip the layer below it.



I stay away from the #7, GEPC, DACP and went with FI it-2 because of the oils because I went the AIO & Klasse route and didn't want any bonding issues.



Next time I may just skip the Klasse thing and just do the glaze and carnauba thing. My truck lives in a garage and is cover when possible and dirty for more than a day so durability isn't an issue.



I will now try to layer couple of different carnaubas like LS,#26 and again P21S to see if I see any differenes.

But I don't if we will see or not? :nixweiss

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blkZ28Conv said:
3M Body Repair Finish Restorer (03902) - - - - Product description: Excellent for hand or machine use. 3M Finish Restorer rapidly cleans and removes fine and medium scratches, imperfections, oxidation and stubborn stains.
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Thank you!







Green Monster - - I’ve been playing with 3M IHG between layers of Souverän and/or P21S paste, but I’ve been getting mixed results. Sometimes it works well, and sometimes it doesn’t! It seems to be a matter of application/removal technique - both for the IHG and the wax, and I still haven’t found what will give consistently good results.



Great reflectivity on your truck! :xyxthumbs
 
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