Glaze under AIO?

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Steve530

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Is there any point to using a glaze, like 3M Imperial Hand Glaze, under Klasse AIO? Does the AIO strip the glaze? Does the glaze prevent the AIO from bonding?
 
AIO is a cleaner so it would strip off any glaze or other wax/sealer on your finish.



It's a great product but there's no sense in using anything under it except a polish to remove any defects you may have.
 
Terminology question - What's the difference between a polish and a glaze? I think of a glaze as a fine-cut polish with fillers, for example Meg's #9, Vanilla Moose, PoorBoy's SSR1, as well as IHG. Is that correct?
 
Clutch Cargo said:
Terminology question - What's the difference between a polish and a glaze? I think of a glaze as a fine-cut polish with fillers, for example Meg's #9, Vanilla Moose, PoorBoy's SSR1, as well as IHG. Is that correct?
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Polish:

Removes surface imperfections and impurities; they are usually formulated with oils for lubrication and are available with various levels of diminishing abrasives of approx 0.3 Micron. Polishing puts the oils back into the resin (paint) that have been lost due to evaporation, and also affects the paint film surfaces optics by improving its light reflexivity.



1. (Machine polish) or compounds are formulated to break down as they are used, gradually reducing in size, usually with three levels of abrasives to remove oxidation, swirl marks and minor surface scratches, always finish with a # 3 (least abrasive) machine polish and `back-down' from one grade to the next.



2. (Fine) pre-wax paint-cleaning, polishes, removes minor blemishes, surface imperfections and renews

the paint surface



3. (Ultra-fine) a non-abrasive polish (glaze) used to enhance surface gloss by burnishing the surface and adding necessary oils
 
Clutch Cargo said:
Terminology question - What's the difference between a polish and a glaze? I think of a glaze as a fine-cut polish with fillers, for example Meg's #9, Vanilla Moose, PoorBoy's SSR1, as well as IHG. Is that correct?
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Unfortunately, many manufacturers and detailers use the words "glaze", "polish", and even "comound" in very different ways. It's really almost impossible to generalize and when in doubt about a specific product, it's probably best to ask somebody who's familiar with it.



Many glazes are completely nonabrasive, including IHG and Meg's #3/#5/#7/#81. Others, such as #80 "Speed Glaze" have pretty aggressive abrasives. Some products like "Klasse Sealant Glaze" and "3M Machine Glaze" are products that I wouldn't call a "glaze" at all.



*I* think of polishes as products that contain abrasives. Meguiar's uses the term in a completely different way.



I try to limit "glaze" to products that are fresh-paint safe. Most do have fillers of some kind.



Of the products you mentioned that I'm familiar with, I'd consider #9 a mildy abrasive polish and VM as a *very* mildly abrasive "cleaner wax". IHG is a glaze, sorta an example of the "classic" definition of one.
 
Assuming I use 3M Machine (or something that is a fine abrasive polish) to remove swirl marks and bring up the shine, what do I use under AIO? Nothing?
 
Correct, nothing. 3M PI MG is a perfect finishing polish. AIO is a cleaner that will remove anything that the 3M has left behind and prep the surface for whatever LSP you want to use.
 
AIO will remove anything left behind by the 3M MG (which shouldn't be much as, I understand, it does not contain fillers) and will leave the surface with a "moderate" amount of protection and properly prepped for KSG or your LSP. :)



Heh, heh....I see JDookie beat me to it! :D
 
OVER AIO.



Use your 3M Machine Glaze, AIO, Mother's S&G for example, then your favorite carnauba wax or 1Z Glanz sealant.
 
There are lots of different procedures and processes he can do, but if he preps correctly, there shouldn't be a need for a *glaze* after AIO. Now, if after AIO there is still some noticeable marring and/or other defects that just wouldn't come out or you just give up on trying, then by all means, time for a glaze. Like I said, whatever you choose to do, that's the fun of it!
 
I still have heaps of 3M IHG and some farecla black top (which I find superior to IHG)

Can I use it after a polish when I don't use AIO?

Is it ok or even necessary to use any one of these two glazes after AIO.

Would only use them on dark colors of course.

What I want to do is use IHG or Black top to enrich/darken the color of the paint (especially black)
 
IMHO, the typical position of a glaze should be between the polishing step and your LSP.



It is not necessary to use IHG or glazes after AIO (unless you're not satisfied with the AIO's appearance). If you do so, the KSG might have bonding issues.



But if you want, you can follow AIO with IHG or glazes (pure polishes in Megs terms), then followed with a carnauba or any LSP that has no bonding issues with oils.



In that case, your AIO acted as your paint cleaner.
 
Some glaze and polish contain "nurishing" oil for paint. AIO cleans up the surface for SG and other sealent and wax. Is it necessary to use one of those "oil rich" polish/glaze for paint? Or is it just one of those marketing hype?
 
Thanks guys, I have had a very difficult time with terminology in the past, posts like this one help clarify discussions. Even now I learn something new or have some misconception cleared up just from reading posts like this one.
 
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