Girls in the boyscouts eh???

Stokdgs said:
Dave,
Who else can it be but the Parents of children that have the greatest influence on them - or should - have that anyway...
And I also believe that too many Parents think its "cute" for little Cary to dress all adult-like with make up, etc., when she is still a child..

There has been a time for awhile now, that Parents, the adults, give their children all the wrong advice, feedback, or even worse, nothing - and the kids then have to rely on what other kids do or tell them.

Then you have have some wacked out teachers telling their classes - "if your Parents, hit you or punish you, etc., its ok to call the Child Protective Services on them"....

Im still of the persuasion that a good swat on the butt does more good than harm, and I have never read in the Bible where it says "Its now ok to let little Johnny act out his aggressions on his little sister, friends, heck yeah, even his Parents, and you must applaud and award gifts to little Johnny for this"...

If we have been taught for awhile now to do things in Moderation, why are we not insuring that children are included in this and are also doing things in Moderation??

There are still people in the this world - all across this world - who still have the values you speak of... They are just harder to find in a world that grows increasingly more selfish, cold hearted and angry.

Probably the best solution is to put the Girl Scouts in charge of listening to all the complaints they have from these girls, look at the Charter they have since the beginning, discuss at length, what would be the best thing for the Girls Scouts globally, measure how many complaints they have, and go forward from there...

Perhaps the girls who want to be tomboys or whatever some girls go through, etc., can get together (because there must be thousands of them, right?), get their Parents to organize rallies, speaking engagements, etc., for them, AFTER the girls go out and raise the money needed to forward their "I wanna' be a BoyScout NOW" campaign, and see how far that takes them????

I speak from the experience of my 2 daughters, and my 2 step-daughters, and I can tell you that they liked the Brownies and Girl Scouts just fine until they started liking Boys, and there went the berets and green uniforms, our pick up truck loads of cookies yearly to sell, etc... Gone, done; we like boys now and dont want to spend time singing kum-ba-ya around the campfire... :)
Dan F
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I thoroughly agree. It is the Parents, so called Teachers and hanging with other kids that do not have proper guidance. I remember giving my daughter a swat on the rump at a Wal mart and you would have thought I threatened her life with the looks I received. I pretty much told them to mind their own business. My Mom use to tell us kids "never mind what whoever is doing you pay attention to what your doing". That has been lost over the years and now with social media everyone needs to know what everyone else is doing.

Dave
 
davidc said:
I thoroughly agree. It is the Parents, so called Teachers and hanging with other kids that do not have proper guidance. I remember giving my daughter a swat on the rump at a Wal mart and you would have thought I threatened her life with the looks I received. I pretty much told them to mind their own business. My Mom use to tell us kids "never mind what whoever is doing you pay attention to what your doing". That has been lost over the years and now with social media everyone needs to know what everyone else is doing.

Dave
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I am so on board, Dave..
Dan F
 
It's perfectly OK. I just wondered if I'd said something poorly. Sometimes I ramble and lose focus on the point I'm trying to make.
 
Accumulator said:
Well, I won't go so far as to be critical of the Woman's Lib/Gender Equality movement. Back a few decades ago a whole lotta women had it *very* tough, especially in the business world. Out-and-out rape wasn't at all unusual, let alone uncommon. Never mind stuff like equal pay for equal work or maternity leave or or or. It was a nasty world for working women; even as a kid I could see what was going on.

And I for one *do* believe that females can do all sorts of physically demanding stuff and that girls should know how to do all that "boy stuff" just as every guy oughta know how to do "girl stuff". Self-reliance starts with being able to do whatever needs doing. I've learned plenty of guy-stuff from women and my wife has learned plenty of women's-work stuff from me.

Heh heh, I'm quite certain that my beliefs can be equally offensive to people on both sides of most any argument ;)
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Actually nothing you stated was offensive to ANYONE. If someone does find something offensive then they are just too damn sensitive and instead of you going to a training class on how to be more "sensitive" maybe they need to go to a "learn tolerance" class or a "get over it" class?

In fact I'm offended by them being offended at their claim you offended them!
 
I would get into the topic of women in the military if anyone wants to. I went through co-ed Officer Candidate School and I was appalled at how the women were helped while the men went through normal training. Most women are not as strong as men, just a fact. The Army allowed standards to be lowered for women to complete the course. It was painful to see all the women in the back of the "fall out" truck on each of our marches. They did not have to carry a full pack or complete the obstacle course. Now I see where they are letting women in the Special Forces, what a joke. Yes, I know it takes more than brawn to be a leader but the military needs to maintain the same standards for women and men. If they would have done that OCS would have been a cakewalk.
 
I'll be on my own lonesome side of the fence with regard to corporal punishment too- my parents/teachers/etc. never spanked me, they reasoned with me and it worked fine. Had they spanked me I would've utterly lost respect for them. Yeah, guess I was one very different kid, but I always saw the spankers as just another type of bully who couldn't accomplish their goals through reason (you can guess what I thought of many adults when I was growing up). Would that approach work for every kid? I dunno, but I honestly don't support the idea of hitting children to mold their behavior any more than I support caning/whipping/etc. to mold the behavior of adults. IMO it just fosters resentment and teaches that the stronger animal rules the human pack whether right or wrong.


Anthony O.- Heh heh, well, maybe nothing I posted earlier offended anybody, but I bet something in the above might have! Yeah... guys like you and me have no trouble with not seeing eye-to-eye on every issue, but some folks uhm, have problems with other folks disagreeing with them.

I'm a bit sensitive with regard to the Woman's Movement because [women of significance to me] went through [stuff] that was considered OK back then but wouldn't be tolerated now, not by anybody I can think of. With regard to corporal punishment, eh, I'm *very* sensitive to the whole topic of bullying period and I don't go for hitting people unless it's justified (just like shooting people).

rlmccarty2000- Yikes, those "different rules" are a terrible idea, gonna get people killed besides undermining the whole argument of "equality" (hey, there are plenty of men who can't do physical stuff too, they don't get the rules tweaked, they get flunked). I agree completely about maintaining the same standards for everybody.

And despite my usually sounding like a women's libber, I do think that the whole "women in combat" thing is gonna be problematic given American Culture. Different situation from, say...the Israeli military. Easy for armchair experts to pontificate about it, but they're not on the two-way range and they people who *are* say it's gonna be a problem. Can't legislate how people feel about stuff just like you can't legislate a whole lotta things into what you'd like.
 
rlmccarty2000 said:
I would get into the topic of women in the military if anyone wants to. I went through co-ed Officer Candidate School and I was appalled at how the women were helped while the men went through normal training. Most women are not as strong as men, just a fact. The Army allowed standards to be lowered for women to complete the course. It was painful to see all the women in the back of the "fall out" truck on each of our marches. They did not have to carry a full pack or complete the obstacle course. Now I see where they are letting women in the Special Forces, what a joke. Yes, I know it takes more than brawn to be a leader but the military needs to maintain the same standards for women and men. If they would have done that OCS would have been a cakewalk.
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Here is my experience from the mid 70's while in USAF. I was an aircraft electrician on B-52's and KC-135's. The hydraulic shop had 2 females assigned there and they were utterly useless for that kind of work. The fuel shop also had that honor with the same results. The bad part of these assignments was that the men had to work longer and harder to keep the aircraft flying because those spaces were being taken by females that simply could not do the job. Their rank was the same as some so the pay was the same but he was working his tail off. To me these females should have been in the instrument shop or some place that did not require the physical work that most aircraft shops require. Now there are some females out there that probably can handle the mechanical parts but they are few and would have to be tested and weeded out from the one's that simply cannot handle that kind of work. I am sure there are males with the same problem although I do not recall having or seeing that other than maybe not comprehending the whole object of the task but they were weeded out rather quickly but the females always seemed to hang on.

Dave
 
rlmccarty2000 said:
I would get into the topic of women in the military if anyone wants to. I went through co-ed Officer Candidate School and I was appalled at how the women were helped while the men went through normal training. Most women are not as strong as men, just a fact. The Army allowed standards to be lowered for women to complete the course. It was painful to see all the women in the back of the "fall out" truck on each of our marches. They did not have to carry a full pack or complete the obstacle course. Now I see where they are letting women in the Special Forces, what a joke. Yes, I know it takes more than brawn to be a leader but the military needs to maintain the same standards for women and men. If they would have done that OCS would have been a cakewalk.
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RlMccarty2000,

Thanks for your post - Thanks for your Service !
I think that most women can do way more than most men can do anyway, but in different areas; and I am so grateful for this..

Women in the Military - I think of Sally Ride and others who absolutely rocked and even sacrificed their lives...

Being able to multi-task light years faster, thinking things out to the nth degree easier, totally rocking the care needed when people get blown up as a result of war, to name just a very few things, yeah, Women in the Military - matched to the right job for their qualifications - makes a huge difference - and always have...

The part if they get into combat will be - when hot lead goes just past your face and you hear it and a little bit of terror strikes you for a second.. Will you be ok and not freeze up ?
Hopefully now, because of so many improvements in technology, there is less chance of this, but the opportunity is always there...

I certainly think that there are some Women who will not even flinch when something like that happens, but do you really want to be there for that part ?

I would rather that you wouldnt, because it would be so sad if something happened to any Woman in the line of fire as it is...

Heck, I remember about 20 years ago, I was cutting down some walnut trees on a farm of a friend, and had just finished cutting a tree, and went back to the tailgate of my truck to add oil and gas to the chainsaw, when all of sudden, I heard that death-song of lead flying just past me a little over my head, in the air..

Lucky for me, I was pretty far away from where those yay-hoo's were shooting large .50 caliber rifles, so the death-song wail was louder and at a lower pitch which meant that they were running out of velocity..
For guys in the front lines the saying is you are always happy when you can hear them go by, (imagine!), and what scares one the most is when you dont hear it go by and it hits you...

It will always be my hope and prayer that no one - especially - womanhood has to be that close to anything that has the potential to take you out of this world like that..
Dan F
 
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