flex 3401 vs griots garage pc. one step polsih.

[sacdetailing]

Hello all we've been discussing on "dealer one steppers" before on what chemical to use and a lot of you said use d151=m66. But i feel like my Griots Garage pc is not powerful enough for removing more serious defects considering the time polishing the car with pc for volume work. When i press on it it just kind of stops spinning but only vibrates which doesn't give me any/enough correction. I have a good idea: buying 3401 vrg and it seems it will save me time and also remove more defects for one stepper. But i also want to hear from professionals who has been doing it for longer time and had experience with both tools. thanks for reading and for all the help! I also do high end details, just working for dealer sometimes trying to survive during college.

 

[gigondaz]

The VRG, if used properly, will certainly remove more defects vs your PC.

Depends on the condition of the cars, characteristics of the clearcoat and the expectations of the dealer.



I do loads of new Audis for the dealer, and their requirement is:

Ensure the customer does not have a reason to complain about the paintwork and interior when collecting their new car.



Due to careless washing and drying, there's bound to be some deep, fine scratches.

Within the budget and time, my boys will do any necessary work to ensure all upward-facing/horizontal panels are flawless under the sunlight. This almost always requires a rotary.



The sides are not critical and can be done in a simpler manner with Flex VRG or PC.

 

[Scottwax]

I do loads of new Audis for the dealer, and their requirement is:

Ensure the customer does not have a reason to complain about the paintwork and interior when collecting their new car.



Due to careless washing and drying, there's bound to be some deep, fine scratches.

Within the budget and time, my boys will do any necessary work to ensure all upward-facing/horizontal panels are flawless under the sunlight. This almost always requires a rotary.

Agreed. Audis really need a rotary for correction.

 

[Accumulator]

[Insert usual disclaimers about my not being a Pro/etc., etc.] So anyhow, my $0.02 is:



Yeah, the Flex can do a better one-step than the Griot's. If you don't want to go rotary (and I wouldn't for one-step jobs if only for fear of holograms) then the Flex would be a good step up.



But man, you must be leaning on that Griot's to stop the rotation completely. I'm wondering if you'd be happier (using that unit) with a more aggressive pad/product combo that will cut with a more reasonable amount of applied pressure :think: Nah, it won't be a substitute for a Flex, but still...

 

[Junebug]

My own experience with M151 and a PC was that it didn't do so good. The black Jetta looked good in the garage that night but the next day it looked like crap. My buddy uses M151 with a rotary and has no problem. I think M151 needs to be worked hard.

 

[sacdetailing]

My own experience with M151 and a PC was that it didn't do so good. The black Jetta looked good in the garage that night but the next day it looked like crap. My buddy uses M151 with a rotary and has no problem. I think M151 needs to be worked hard.

u mean d151?

 

[sacdetailing]

[Insert usual disclaimers about my not being a Pro/etc., etc.] So anyhow, my $0.02 is:



Yeah, the Flex can do a better one-step than the Griot's. If you don't want to go rotary (and I wouldn't for one-step jobs if only for fear of holograms) then the Flex would be a good step up.



But man, you must be leaning on that Griot's to stop the rotation completely. I'm wondering if you'd be happier (using that unit) with a more aggressive pad/product combo that will cut with a more reasonable amount of applied pressure :think: Nah, it won't be a substitute for a Flex, but still...

thanks man, i of course use orange pad and some times m105.

The VRG, if used properly, will certainly remove more defects vs your PC.

Depends on the condition of the cars, characteristics of the clearcoat and the expectations of the dealer.



I do loads of new Audis for the dealer, and their requirement is:

Ensure the customer does not have a reason to complain about the paintwork and interior when collecting their new car.



Due to careless washing and drying, there's bound to be some deep, fine scratches.

Within the budget and time, my boys will do any necessary work to ensure all upward-facing/horizontal panels are flawless under the sunlight. This almost always requires a rotary.



The sides are not critical and can be done in a simpler manner with Flex VRG or PC.

thank you sir i will buy this tool when i will get some more money.

 

[gigondaz]

A forgotten "classic" that's very handy for "dealer simple jobs":

Meguiars DACP No83.



I use it very frequently for the sides, roof and bumpers of Audis, especially white and silver ones.



If used with a Flex VRG and either orange or yellow pad, it get's quite a lot of work done too:

1. Cleans the paint very well.

2. Very obvious gloss and brightness, especially with rotary.

3. Superb at covering up many fine swirls as well.



Hey...it's a simple job anyway!:razz:



Tip:

For 4mths, I've been mixing in a bit of Collinite 845 (roughly 10%) into DACP, and applying this cocktail in one go. A true 1-stepper. It might be crude and un-professional, but we're talking 'bout a fast, high volume job here.



Single-stepper.

 

[Accumulator]

gigondaz- I'll admit I'm not a fan of M83, but mixing some 845 with a decent-finishing abrasive does sound like a good way to roll your own super cleaner-wax.