FK1000P vs. Klasse High Gloss Sealant Glaze

TheMeanGreen- I'll take a wild guess that you might even *like* the scent of FK1000P! I do...

One thing onthe PC (well, two things)...both of my (older) PCs needed rebuilt more often than I think they should've while some of my other polishers (with infinitely more hours on them) have never needed rebuilding; IMO the PC is just not the kind of quality tool I look for. And the newer PC's spindle is hollow; a few people here (including Barry Theal) have had it fracture, leaving them with a jagged piece of steel spinning oh-so-close to the paint! For that reason alone I'd never buy one of the PC XPs. (If they've changed that, somebody please correct me.)
 
Accumulator said:
TheMeanGreen- I'll take a wild guess that you might even *like* the scent of FK1000P! I do...

One thing onthe PC (well, two things)...both of my (older) PCs needed rebuilt more often than I think they should've while some of my other polishers (with infinitely more hours on them) have never needed rebuilding; IMO the PC is just not the kind of quality tool I look for. And the newer PC's spindle is hollow; a few people here (including Barry Theal) have had it fracture, leaving them with a jagged piece of steel spinning oh-so-close to the paint! For that reason alone I'd never buy one of the PC XPs. (If they've changed that, somebody please correct me.)
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Nope, my PC-7424XP spindle is hollow :(
 
TheMeanGreen said:
4u2nvinmtl:

I would only be phased by the smell if it lingers on the car after application and buff off, I love everything cars, so car smells do not really phase me. Aviation fuel and race gas are the two best smells known to mankind:rockon
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The smell is gone shortly after application. I don't like or dislike the smell it just has an order that's clearly not scented intentionally (I hope). My wife and other friends complained that my house smelled like gas when I used my FK1000P inside (to coat my shocks yesterday).

As for my fly issue, it's subsided to a degree (less flys than before), and I can only assume the Autopian that said flys are attracted to reflective/shiny paint is right and it just didn't look as good to flys before the jeweling/final polish and FK1000P on the body and Collinite 845 on the roof.
 
In so far as removing both SG and FK 1000p, I spray a detailer on the pad (I use 425) as I apply both SG and FK1000p. Makes removal easier.


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4u2nvinmtl- If you ever bear down hard on the PCXP, keep yourself mentally prepared to deal with that spindle snapping off....no it's certainly *NOT* something that happens even once in a blue moon, but you know how it can go when you're not prepared for something drastic.

valleyguy1 said:
In so far as removing both SG and FK 1000p...
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With any LSP, I fog the surface with my breath to provide a tiny bit of moisture, but yeah a compatible-with-that-LSP QD can help a lot.
 
Accumulator said:
4u2nvinmtl-

With any LSP, I fog the surface with my breath to provide a tiny bit of moisture, but yeah a compatible-with-that-LSP QD can help a lot.
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Not sure how you determine " compatible-with-that-LSP QD ", but I use the 425 with the 1000p.

However, I started spraying my pad when I applied my LSP with QD per the instructions for applying Klasse's SG. Made it a lot easier to wipe off. I don't know how hard it is to remove FK1000 without the QD, but using it I found it very easy to remove using a spray of FK425 every few applications of the LSP to keep the pad moist.

Of course YMMV.......
 
valleyguy1- No question about it, the FK425 is compatible with FK1000P! I've used a spritz of FK425 to soften up some rock-hard FK1000P and it rendered it usable.

I guess you find out if the QD and LSP are compatible by trying combos and hoping they work :D But I wouldn't try, say.... a "waxy" QD with a synthetic LSP. A little common sense oughta go a long way ;)

I am confused about the following though:
However, I started spraying my pad when I applied my LSP with QD per the instructions for applying Klasse's SG...
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My (old, circa 1999!) bottle of KSG doesn't mention QD, just says to apply it to a clean, dry surface and to use KAIO first if the finish is oxidized. If I wanted to prime my KSG applicator (with something other than KSG) I'd probably reach for Sonus' Acrylic Glanz spray. Oh well, whatever's working for you sounds good to me!
 
I'll have to go look and pull out my old instructions for applying SG. It's not on the bottle, however, there was a 4 or 5 page instruction "booklet" that came with the twins. I'm pretty sure the idea of spraying a QD on the application pad before putting any SG on it comes from their instructions. However, this would have been over 10-15 years ago (Hmmm, 1999?), so I could be completely wrong. Maybe I read it on the forum, some member suggested it, I tried it and it worked. SG can be a bear to remove at times, particularly if put on too thick. I used to use Eagle One detailer, so that is what I would have used. Used to work fine, and made removing the SG MUCH easier. Those 3 coats of SG lasted quite a while using it.

Hmm, it's been so long, in retrospect, I may have applied the SG with a damp applicator and used a spray of QD on a MF to remove the SG.

As always, YMMV.....
 
4u2nvinmtl said:
It could be the case with most LSP I just happened not to have an issue with Klasse, I noticed the same thing with Collinite 845 on my roof (flys love it). Did my secondary bumper with Klasse AIO/SK and left it outside near my car and flys didn't want to land (so that rules out location). All that's left to rule out is polish, maybe some TSO from Reflect was left on the paint or as someone else said "flys are attracted to shiny paint" and it just happens to be more polished than my secondary bumper (paint wasn't polished when I had Klasse on it).


Like I said it was very subjective with the FK1000P on my silver paint, but there was very noticeable flake pop on a dark red car I did with bright red flake (KAIO + KSG) - to a point that the owner accused me of repainting the car (ROFL)! There's still good flake pop with FK1000P but not to the same extent. Note: I also didn't apply FK1000P to that dark red car to compare, but I have redone it with Collinite 845 and it totally muted the flake pop (i.e. 2/10 for Collinite)


I won't lie I used a bunch of FK1000P and the pad is significantly saturated with product, I tried to clean it with everything under the sun (dish soap, hand soap, car mechanic soap, D101 APC, Microfiber detergent, softener-free detergent, they all made very little difference). In the end designated the pad for FK1000P application and don't bother cleaning (just made sure to rinse the soap out with about 10,000 gallons of tap water). I got most of the product out by squeezing the applicator as hard as I could and it oozed out (Yeah, I put too much intentionally to see if it was as hard to take off as people said for my first coat and it came off easily IMHO but the 2nd layer I put on like KSG -very thin)


I am so glad too! There's no need to feel bad (if I didn't like it) unless you're making the stuff (but I appreciate the empathy none the less). The best thing about FK1000P is how my car always looks good and it is so easy to clean (nothing sticks). I was able to literally blow a dead bug of the paint with my breath it's so slick (no QD/WW or microfiber). I'm thinking of moving away from my dreadlock wash mitt's too (noticed very, very light marring in a few places but could be the kids rubbing against the car). I was thinking of just pressure rinsing, foam lance, flood rising and forced air drying (unless it's heavily soiled) to reduce my contact with the paint. Unless you have something between the BHB and a wash mitt to suggest?
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4u2nvinmtl

Great job on that 2014 with red flake!
It actually does look like a new paint job.
Just wondering why such a new car was in such bad shape?
4.5 hours, impressive!


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valleyguy1- Sounds like our KSG experiences started at round the same time, yeah...hard to remember stuff we read back then all right. The important thing is that it's working for you!
 
marinesoup said:
4u2nvinmtl

Great job on that 2014 with red flake!
It actually does look like a new paint job.
Just wondering why such a new car was in such bad shape?
4.5 hours, impressive!


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Thank you very much.

Well, it sat for a long time on the dealers lot and they didn't take great care of the paint. The owner is worse and frequently puts her purse and keys on the paint. The car is parked outside year around and daily driven. It had little to no LSP for the majority of it's existence too...

To make things worse the owner isn't interested in proper care or regular maintenance washes (3-4 swirl-o-matic washes a year at best). That's also why I only corrected the big scratches and not the entire car/swirls (except on the door pillars were they were very apparent).
 
Today I received my FK1000P and opened it up to whaft the smell, I actually took a long breath in, it doesn't smell too bad compared to other automotive smells, and the Collinite 476s doesn't smell that bad either!
 
TheMEanGreen- I share your appreciation for the "industrial scent" of those two products :D

Now if it'll just work as well for you as it does for me!
 
Accumulator said:
TheMEanGreen- I share your appreciation for the "industrial scent" of those two products :D

Now if it'll just work as well for you as it does for me!
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I'm certainly hoping it does, especially the heat. Measured the temp of the paint the other day at 166 degree F, and that wasn't at peak heat or sun position of the day!
 
MeanGreen, curious why you're going with the Collonite over the the FK1000 rather than two coats of the FK1000?



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valleyguy1 said:
MeanGreen, curious why you're going with the Collonite over the the FK1000 rather than two coats of the FK1000?
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I'm hoping he doesn't end up doing that and just sticks with the FK1000P ;) I too think that topping FK1000P with Collinite would be a step backwards.
 
Accumulator said:
I'm hoping he doesn't end up doing that and just sticks with the FK1000P ;) I too think that topping FK1000P with Collinite would be a step backwards.
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I will be playing around with combos of the two, to see what I like. I had the change to get both, so I thought 'what the heck.' I do neighbors cars every now and then, so the Collinite could come into play there.
 
pwaug said:
Well at least the FK1000 should spread easily!!!!!! Can't imagine working on a car with that heat.
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I know right?! In the mornings I literally have a 2 hour window of time (6:30am-8:30am) if I want to do correction or wax, it just gets too hot to fast.
 
TheMeanGree- Much as I rave about the FK1000P being All That, I use the 476S on my '93 Audi as it works out better with that car's terrible-condition paint. So it oughta be good for the neighbors' rides.
 
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