fk1000p over klasse sg
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WaxAddict
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May I ask, why FK1000P?
To answer your question, it will be fine to apply the FK on top of KSG. With the Klasse being acrylic based, it`s doubtful you`ll have any beneficial synergy of the two products, but the FK will act as a sacrificial layer, extending whatever is beneath it. Or will it? If the KSG is on its last legs, the FK`s solvent might just eat it up. Either way, you`re fine.
The more important question is if your paint is currently LSP-ready. How long has it been since that last coat of K?
To answer your question, it will be fine to apply the FK on top of KSG. With the Klasse being acrylic based, it`s doubtful you`ll have any beneficial synergy of the two products, but the FK will act as a sacrificial layer, extending whatever is beneath it. Or will it? If the KSG is on its last legs, the FK`s solvent might just eat it up. Either way, you`re fine.
The more important question is if your paint is currently LSP-ready. How long has it been since that last coat of K?
Accumulator
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jdover- Welcome to Autopia!
Heh heh, you`re about to make the same change that I did, hope it works as well for you!
IME it`ll work fine even if the KSG is near-death. I might KAIO it first just as a paint cleaning step, or to improve the look (KSG just doesn`t do it for me on many paints, but I never really minded it on Subarus), but it`d depend on my mood at the time. In the unlikely event that there is an issue, I`m confident you`ll notice it right away (assuming good inspection) and then you`ll merely have to do the KAIO step after all, quick and easy either way.
Just FWIW, IME one coat of FK1000P will last/protect/etc. better than two coats of KSG (which I always layered much more heavily, and FK1000P still outperformed it). I`d be *very* interested to hear your opinions after you`ve applied the FK1000P and lived with it for a while.
Heh heh, you`re about to make the same change that I did, hope it works as well for you!
IME it`ll work fine even if the KSG is near-death. I might KAIO it first just as a paint cleaning step, or to improve the look (KSG just doesn`t do it for me on many paints, but I never really minded it on Subarus), but it`d depend on my mood at the time. In the unlikely event that there is an issue, I`m confident you`ll notice it right away (assuming good inspection) and then you`ll merely have to do the KAIO step after all, quick and easy either way.
Just FWIW, IME one coat of FK1000P will last/protect/etc. better than two coats of KSG (which I always layered much more heavily, and FK1000P still outperformed it). I`d be *very* interested to hear your opinions after you`ve applied the FK1000P and lived with it for a while.
WaxAddict
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Klasse, FK1000P, hmmmmm... how did I know you`d respond to this Accum? ^_^
Accumulator
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WaxAddict- Gee, that *IS* a mystery, huh?!? 
The ksg is about a week old so I applied a coat of FK1000p directly on top of it......looks amazing!!!
Good thing I can do it in my garage with the doors closed otherwise my neighbors would think......well you know.
Thanks guys and Accumulator I have been following your posts for a few years which is why I picked FK1000p to try.
I will let you know the long term results.
Good thing I can do it in my garage with the doors closed otherwise my neighbors would think......well you know.
Thanks guys and Accumulator I have been following your posts for a few years which is why I picked FK1000p to try.
I will let you know the long term results.
Accumulator
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jdover- Ah, glad you like how it tweaked the look. Gee, if you refresh the FK1000P now and then the underlying KSG might last, well...indefinitely!
And hey, it`s gratifying to hear that my posts here have been of some benefit.
And hey, it`s gratifying to hear that my posts here have been of some benefit.
Just washed the car and put another layer of fk1000p on it. It looks amazing.
It is a 10 year old subaru that I bought new and whenever I take it back to the dealer for a recall the salespeople and some of the techs come out to look at it and want to know how I keep it looking like that.
Thanks guys, especially Accumulator......should I tellum or keep it a secret? They don`t seem to be the type of guys that would spend much time on their vehicles appearance.
It is a 10 year old subaru that I bought new and whenever I take it back to the dealer for a recall the salespeople and some of the techs come out to look at it and want to know how I keep it looking like that.
Thanks guys, especially Accumulator......should I tellum or keep it a secret? They don`t seem to be the type of guys that would spend much time on their vehicles appearance.
Accumulator
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jdover- Glad it`s working out so well! Sure, I`d go ahead and tell them. I doubt they`ll bother trying anything you recommend, and/but even if they do they might discover that it`s not *just* a matter of using the right product 
And I bet the KSG is still OK underneath the FK too.
And I bet the KSG is still OK underneath the FK too.
Jdover it sounds like Klasse products have kept your 2008 Subaru Outback looking great for ten years. You can`t ask for anymore than that. They work great for me too. I just sold my 2000 Dodge 1500 Quad Cab for the max price out of KBB just because I kept it protected by the Klasse twins and took care of it. I have been looking at fk1000p and I might have to give it a try. I haven`t experimented much lately and it would give me something new to check out on my new Toyota Tundra.
FryeBaby- It is true that the Klasse twins have kept my 10 year old Subaru looking like it just came out of the showroom minus dealer added swirls, but after 10 years I am almost out of Klasse products and decided to try something else for fun.
It came down to a decision between Collinite and fk1000p. After a lot of Googleing, (is that a word?) and reading Accumulator`s reviews and his obvious love for the product, I decided to go with it. Turned out to be a great choice, easy to apply and buff off leaving no streaks as sometimes Klasse SG did.
It came down to a decision between Collinite and fk1000p. After a lot of Googleing, (is that a word?) and reading Accumulator`s reviews and his obvious love for the product, I decided to go with it. Turned out to be a great choice, easy to apply and buff off leaving no streaks as sometimes Klasse SG did.
Thanks jdover for your thoughts on FK1000p. It sounds like a great product. I may order it to try because I need to detail my Mustang. The main reason besides the reviews are good, is because it is a one step vs the Klasse two steps. I am pretty much hurting all the time from playing sports year round for 20 something years. So just putting on the sealant one time sure sounds good compared to Klasse two steps. Please let us know how it lasts for you.
Accumulator
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FryeBaby- IMO it`s not so much the "one vs. two steps" as the KAIO is basically just a prep for the KSG. I`d use something like KAIO on bare paint before the FK1000P too.
And I`d referesh KSG without doing any real prep at all, just "throw on another coat" same as I do with other LSPs.
IMO the bid diff is that one coat of FK1000P does almost everything as well as numerous coats of KSG (which I find utterly unimpressive with fewer than four coats, like...why bother). I say "almost" because KSG, layered heavily enough, will result in a discernible build-film, like a layer of plasticy stuff on top of the paint/etc. that can provide a physical barrier against, well...all sorts of problems. Yes, I *do* find it can diminish the incidence of marring...VERY VERY LIGHT marring. For that reason I`m still using it on gloss black exterior plastics.
Hope you can find some relief from that "hurting all the time"! That`d get old after a while.
And I`d referesh KSG without doing any real prep at all, just "throw on another coat" same as I do with other LSPs.
IMO the bid diff is that one coat of FK1000P does almost everything as well as numerous coats of KSG (which I find utterly unimpressive with fewer than four coats, like...why bother). I say "almost" because KSG, layered heavily enough, will result in a discernible build-film, like a layer of plasticy stuff on top of the paint/etc. that can provide a physical barrier against, well...all sorts of problems. Yes, I *do* find it can diminish the incidence of marring...VERY VERY LIGHT marring. For that reason I`m still using it on gloss black exterior plastics.
Hope you can find some relief from that "hurting all the time"! That`d get old after a while.
Thanks Accumulator for the advice. I guess I was thinking FK1000P was like KAIO in that it cleaned but it left behind a lot more sealant protection than KAIO. I guess that shoots down my one step plan. LOL. I am planning on claying the Mustang, then use KAIO and then I guess I will try the FK1000P if I think I can get it in time. I am thinking of doing the detail this weekend so I may just go with the Klasse twins and order the FK1000P to try later. Thanks again for the help.
Accumulator
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FryeBaby- Yeah, you`re on-track now..the FK doesn`t do any real cleaning other than by a bit of solvent action. Maybe it doesn`t *need* any real cleaning; per usual I just reFK1000P`ed the `03 Audi without doing anything other than a regular wash and it turned out fine.
Or, if you do use the KAIO (even without the KSG), that`d hold it until the next wash and you could just do the FK then.
Or, if you do use the KAIO (even without the KSG), that`d hold it until the next wash and you could just do the FK then.
Accumulator, you asked me about 2 years ago to let you know how I felt about fk1000p after living with it for a while.......2 years later and amazing.
I apply it about 3 times a year and use fk425 after washes and my 2008 dark bronze and tan Subaru Outback looks brand new without the dealer installed swirls. I lurk on the forums and read many posts about the newest and greatest products but can`t imagine how my car could look any better.
I get compliments wherever I go and a few days ago a guy in a fairly new Outback was parked next to me and said that he was happy that Subaru was bringing back the older style, he liked it better??
Thanks Accumulator you were 100% correct.
I apply it about 3 times a year and use fk425 after washes and my 2008 dark bronze and tan Subaru Outback looks brand new without the dealer installed swirls. I lurk on the forums and read many posts about the newest and greatest products but can`t imagine how my car could look any better.
I get compliments wherever I go and a few days ago a guy in a fairly new Outback was parked next to me and said that he was happy that Subaru was bringing back the older style, he liked it better??
Thanks Accumulator you were 100% correct.
Accumulator
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jdover- Thanks for posting that! I`m really glad it`s working out so well for you, it sounds just like my experiences with it.
That`s just *GREAT* about the guy who thought it was a "newer old-look" car!
I gotta say it`s really gratifying to hear my advice was beneficial; you`ve made my day.
That`s just *GREAT* about the guy who thought it was a "newer old-look" car!
I gotta say it`s really gratifying to hear my advice was beneficial; you`ve made my day.
jdover:
How many miles are on your 2008 Subaru Outback? Do you have any mechanical "problems"? Other than the steering wheel and dash Takata airbags recall, any other factory recalls?? Do you have a lot of salt used on VI Canada roads in the winter?
Have owned (past tense) a 2003 Outback with a 185,000 miles on it, they are indeed a "unique" vehicle for year-round driving. Mine needed a ton of mechanical issues fixed that accumulated over time that I chose not to address because they cost more than the value of the car, so I sold it to my sister. She has fixed some of them, the second set of the much-maligned head gaskets being the major one not fixed yet (mine were replaced at 115,000). The body is rusting out in front of the rear door wheel wells, but that is common in Subby`s of that age (17 years) driven year round in Wisconsin due to the copious amount of salt used for 5-month-long winter de-icing. She knows I took pretty good care of it detailing wise and changed the oil regularly with Mobil 1, but it was time for it to go to a good home, and yes, it is difficult to see my X-Subby I enjoyed so much for so long (15 years).
I used Meguiars M16 and NXT, then Collinite 845 Insulator wax and 476S Super Double Coat wax, and lastly 915 Marque D`Elegance wax. Accumulator has not quite gotten me to try FK1000p. Recently, I did buy Klasse All-In-One because it has wide application on so many areas of a vehicle for detailing, especially under the hood and door/rear hatch jams, and interior hard plastic dash panels. The best application is on after-market clear-coated chromed rims or OEM clear-coated aluminum rims.
How many miles are on your 2008 Subaru Outback? Do you have any mechanical "problems"? Other than the steering wheel and dash Takata airbags recall, any other factory recalls?? Do you have a lot of salt used on VI Canada roads in the winter?
Have owned (past tense) a 2003 Outback with a 185,000 miles on it, they are indeed a "unique" vehicle for year-round driving. Mine needed a ton of mechanical issues fixed that accumulated over time that I chose not to address because they cost more than the value of the car, so I sold it to my sister. She has fixed some of them, the second set of the much-maligned head gaskets being the major one not fixed yet (mine were replaced at 115,000). The body is rusting out in front of the rear door wheel wells, but that is common in Subby`s of that age (17 years) driven year round in Wisconsin due to the copious amount of salt used for 5-month-long winter de-icing. She knows I took pretty good care of it detailing wise and changed the oil regularly with Mobil 1, but it was time for it to go to a good home, and yes, it is difficult to see my X-Subby I enjoyed so much for so long (15 years).
I used Meguiars M16 and NXT, then Collinite 845 Insulator wax and 476S Super Double Coat wax, and lastly 915 Marque D`Elegance wax. Accumulator has not quite gotten me to try FK1000p. Recently, I did buy Klasse All-In-One because it has wide application on so many areas of a vehicle for detailing, especially under the hood and door/rear hatch jams, and interior hard plastic dash panels. The best application is on after-market clear-coated chromed rims or OEM clear-coated aluminum rims.
Lonnie- I have just over 10000km which translates to about 62000 miles with absolutely no mechanical problems at all other than the airbag recall. I just got a second recall for the airbags since it seems that the original defective ones were replaced with the same defective airbags????
I am lucky to live on Vancouver Island where the climate is moderate and a salt brine is applied to the roads maybe 2 or 3 times during the winter, it rarely gets below 32F.
I stay on top of regular maintenance, change the oil every six months and also have replaced the timing belt because of its age. Also replaced tires, battery, brakes and rear struts but I think those are normal maintenance. I would certainly buy another Subaru but since I am 74 years old I think this one will outlive me.
You might want to give in to Accumulator and try FK1000p because I think you will be pleasantly surprised.
I am lucky to live on Vancouver Island where the climate is moderate and a salt brine is applied to the roads maybe 2 or 3 times during the winter, it rarely gets below 32F.
I stay on top of regular maintenance, change the oil every six months and also have replaced the timing belt because of its age. Also replaced tires, battery, brakes and rear struts but I think those are normal maintenance. I would certainly buy another Subaru but since I am 74 years old I think this one will outlive me.
You might want to give in to Accumulator and try FK1000p because I think you will be pleasantly surprised.
Accumulator
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Heh heh, I`m envious of you Subie owners who don`t get bad ones! Both of mine (bought new and Autopian-pampered) were absolute, utter POS that I`d *REALLY* wanted to love, but simply couldn`t. When they weren`t in the shop (endlessly..even sold the WRX with a CEL lit, the dealer/rep said they couldn`t...I kinda heard "wouldn`t" the way they came across... clear it), they never drove well in bad weather despite being outfitted with the *exact same* tires as the Audis (even the size/purchase date was the same). We`d actually stop en route somewhere, turn around and go back to get a different vehicle to drive instead!
Don`t get me wrong...I think Subaru must make good vehicles. And I really like some of the older ones. But my wife and I have agreed that we`d be idiots to own another after what we went through with both of ours.
(No, we`re not gonna Lemon-Law such stuff. For us, life`s too short to spend on that.)
Don`t get me wrong...I think Subaru must make good vehicles. And I really like some of the older ones. But my wife and I have agreed that we`d be idiots to own another after what we went through with both of ours.
(No, we`re not gonna Lemon-Law such stuff. For us, life`s too short to spend on that.)