FK 2180 Ultra seal/Polymer sealant

Bringing back an old thread....I was doing some spring cleaning and found a bottle of FK 2180 and Menz FMJ on the back if the shelf, which I forgot I had.....so, I washed and clayed my car, applied the FK 2180, but Leary of it's durability, topped with 845. Looks awesome, got to use up some old product and add protection for winter. Anyway, as the title of this thread asks....does anyone use this anymore? Or FMJ. for that matter?
 
I recently used it. You pretty much have to use it by machine, it loves to be worked into the surface. I love the glassy look. Now FMJ... that stuff is the king of no durability.
 
I've got a small sample bottle of this stuff, it's an odd blue color. I can tell I've used the stuff, just can't recall on what. (I've kind of quit looking for new "solutions" since I've enjoyed so much success with the 1000p.) I may try it on the hood of the wife's car this weekend. Supposed to be very rainy, may need something to do to keep out of trouble ;)
 
Dan said:
I recently used it. You pretty much have to use it by machine, it loves to be worked into the surface. I love the glassy look. Now FMJ... that stuff is the king of no durability.
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I just had to express my disappointment with FMJ - I bought it when it first came out because I really liked IP and FPII. Such a terrible letdown as it was fairly expensive (for its time) and I had the exact same (non)durability issues as Dan. I usually relegate "unwanted" products to wheels or extended family vehicles, but I couldn't do so with FMJ. It was gone after one wash or any meaningful amount of rain.....
 
MCA, that's quite a statement about the FMJ. I've never used it but sure can recall how HOT is was at introduction !!
 
I've just recently begun using 2180. No comment on durability and I likely won't know as I topped with 1000P, but the look was great and it was so easy to go on and come off. This also aided in application and removal of the 1000P as well.
 
Tom - I am sure that the hype and the "honeymoon" atmosphere at its introduction intensified my letdown. There is no denying that the look was great and I remember Sean's (G35/GSRStilez) FMJ-coated red Integra looking phenomenal. At least I was honest with myself and admitted that the product did not meet my expectations.
 
thought 2180 was intended as an intermediate step that was designed to be topped with pink wax or fk1000, but could be used as a stand alone lsp if desired.
 
From what I've read, its supposed to be durable if you work it in, I've had mixed results with it. If you are going to top it anyway, FK215 is a much better choice.
 
tom p. said:
I've got a small sample bottle of this stuff, it's an odd blue color. I can tell I've used the stuff, just can't recall on what.
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You used it on your old red Buick, I'm pretty sure (man, how pathetic is it that I remember that?!).



I never had any luck with the stuff (then again, I never really "worked it into the paint" like you are supposed to), it never lasted more than a few washes for me. It was weird, it's almost like the paint soaked it up during application.
 
The #2180 was developed when I was still with Finish Kare.

A new resin was introduced for sealants, a flurotalmer resin, base of Teflon.

I went to Floyd and informed him how this resin was being put in many sealants and was being highly marketed.

Why couldn't FK do the same?

We took #218 Polywipe, a good sealant for it's time, added as much of the flurotalmer resin as would work to the Polywipe.

Then a little blue dye to differencate it from the #218 Polywipe.

At that time, we put the name Ultra on it.

It is a polymer sealant, which means that it requires time and air, to cross-link/cure.

Thin coats are recommended with cure time between coats needed.

That time may vary depending on humidity and temperature.

It was intended to be hand applied or with an orbital or dual action buffer. The product should be allowed at least 20 minutes before wiping or removing of the indicators (dried haze)

A high speed rotary was not recommended for application.

In testing we found that it also was best that it not be exposed to water (washing, rain, etc) for at least 24 hours, a couple of days were better. Same with all sealants.

The product would actually hold up to the enviorment for 3 to 6 months, however was confusing for the un-informed, as it did not show a lot of beading after a month or so.

That did not mean that the #2180 was no longer protective, just that the solvents used had finally completely evaporated.

A really good product, was one of the best in it's time, still a good product.

Grumpy
 
Ron Ketcham said:
The #2180 was developed when I was still with Finish Kare.

A new resin was introduced for sealants, a flurotalmer resin, base of Teflon.

I went to Floyd and informed him how this resin was being put in many sealants and was being highly marketed.

Why couldn't FK do the same?

We took #218 Polywipe, a good sealant for it's time, added as much of the flurotalmer resin as would work to the Polywipe.

Then a little blue dye to differencate it from the #218 Polywipe.

At that time, we put the name Ultra on it.

It is a polymer sealant, which means that it requires time and air, to cross-link/cure.

Thin coats are recommended with cure time between coats needed.

That time may vary depending on humidity and temperature.

It was intended to be hand applied or with an orbital or dual action buffer. The product should be allowed at least 20 minutes before wiping or removing of the indicators (dried haze)

A high speed rotary was not recommended for application.

In testing we found that it also was best that it not be exposed to water (washing, rain, etc) for at least 24 hours, a couple of days were better. Same with all sealants.

The product would actually hold up to the enviorment for 3 to 6 months, however was confusing for the un-informed, as it did not show a lot of beading after a month or so.

That did not mean that the #2180 was no longer protective, just that the solvents used had finally completely evaporated.

A really good product, was one of the best in it's time, still a good product.

Grumpy
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This is totally awesome to get some really good insight into this product.
 
Ron Ketcham said:
A really good product, was one of the best in it's time, still a good product.
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Ron, it always interesting to have some actual detail of the products we use. Thanks for shaing that.
 
Thanks Ron. It would be great to have this sort of info available on all products. I like to know what a products goals and foundations are.
 
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