Fk 2180 = Aio

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This seems to be an AIO product per the description. Removes surface accumulation ( prev. polishes waxes & sealants i'm assuming) and oxidation.
 
Yes I think it is. I tried it as a sealant and was dissappointed.

I guess it must be an AIO then
 
SVR said:
Yes I think it is. I tried it as a sealant and was dissappointed.

I guess it must be an AIO then
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I was also disappointed with it as a sealant.



I've used 215 as a AIO before but never tried the 2180 as an AIO. My first pass with 215 made the truck look great , the second pass i used the 2180 (for a sealant) and really pooped out the shine IMO.
 
Yep, any solvent will clean a bit, but these are not dedicated cleaners.



I was disappointed with it when I used it as I would with other stuff (one coat, lightly wipe on, wait, wipe off). This way I got no durability. But when I did a more thorough approach (massage it very well into the paint; at least 3 times) the performance was there. I don't like its application by hand though. It is better with a machine. However, I've never tried it as an AIO...
 
FK 2180 is a wierd product. I never used it over "dirty" paint, so I can't comment on it's cleaning, but I have used it as a sealant over clean paint.



You really have to work the stuff into the paint, and it is still not very easy to use. At 1.5ish months, the beading/slickness were really on the way out, so I topped it with Opti-Seal.



Not very impressed with 2180.
 
My nearly full bottle of 2180 has been shelved. Not a real good product IMO. Most of the other stuff is excellent.
 
Not much is out of the bottle maybe 25% , by the time I would ship it you get a new bottle you for the same cost. I have so much crap here and ned to take inventory and sell it off. Lot of PB stuff and CK stuff .
 
tried it along with PW & 1000P... they are all ok for the price, I just have moved on to different products.



I could not tell if 2180 had a layering effect..(must mean it doesn't..)
 
2180 came in handy for me when I needed some protection on new paint. Last November when my car was 3 weeks out of the body shop and a major winter storm was on the way I applied 3 coats to provide some protection from the inevitable salt, etc. This car is a daily driver and is not garaged, so I made the decision to trust FK1's claim that it's safe to use within a few days of a repaint.



When I did my spring polishing a couple of months ago with my Metabo, the paint had hardened enough that it was surprisingly difficult to correct minor marring, but I take that as a good sign since the major risk of waxing/sealing too early is that the paint will never finish properly curing and never reach full hardness. I had to wind up giving the paint a good, determined workover with the Metabo on about 1500 with a light cutting pad and IP.



I don't consider 2180 to have a great appearance, I view it as more of a "utility" sealant. It doesn't even fit into what I would consider a true LSP, at least by my standards. Other than what I used it for on new paint, I'd only consider it as a base coat under some other LSP.



***If anyone else decides to use 2180 on fresh paint, realize I could easily be totally off base with my judgement and you're taking your own risk. It just happened to work out well enough for me to satisfy me. BTW the paint used on my car was Sikkens, which only claims 30 days to cure anyway. I still prefer to give it 3 months if possible.



One more thing. I think it does layer mostly because of the way it applies. The first layer goes on like the paint is a hungry sponge, requiring a LOT of product and not gliding well at all. The second coat is a little better, but still challenging. The third coat went on nice and smooth, very easy and thin.
 
Bigpoppa, if you ever apply 2180 to fresh paint I think you'll find 2 oz doesn't go far at all. It's amazing how much product it takes to do the first coat. If I were in your situation I'd hang on to the 2 oz you have, then if you decide you want to use it on a repaint, order more product at that time. I've never used 2180 on "mature" paint, so I don't know if it behaves differently in that situation.



Again, I'm not saying this is the correct course of action for anyone else, just that it worked out well enough for me. YYMV.
 
Hmm, I've used it on fully cured paint and it didn't seem to take any more than an ounce for the entire vehicle. Interesting that un-cured repaints behave so differently.
 
velobard said:
The first layer goes on like the paint is a hungry sponge, requiring a LOT of product and not gliding well at all. The second coat is a little better, but still challenging. The third coat went on nice and smooth, very easy and thin.
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I can second this.
 
Yes, the described behavior is sooo typical of the 2180...



It works similarly on older, permeable finishes as well. I can just repeat myself. Horrible to apply by hand, but after a nice DA action all is good. Massaging it into the paint by a machine is much more efficient. I love its look though (after x-layers)...
 
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