FK 1000P over DG 105 question

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So today, I used some DG 501 mixed with DG 601 at 4 :1 ratio, followed by an initial topping of DG 105 mixed with DG 601 at 4:1 ratio.  I called DG and spoke with Bill, great guy btw who told me to wait at least an hour, or better yet, 2 hours before adding another layer of the DG 105/601 mixture, which I did (actually waited 3 hours in case anybody was paying attention).


 


My question is, would I be better off adding a 3rd layer of DG 105/601 after a few days, or maybe adding some FK 1000P instead?  Will the FK 1000P solvent load degrade the 105/601 mixture?  I am trying to get a good 6 months out of this, as well as a little more pop than the DG 105/601 mixture has given me in the past.  I never actually added a 2nd layer of that the DG mixture before, only the 1 layer.  Accumulator and his FK 1000P talk has me wanting to try it.  Appreciate any one's feedback.  Thanks.
 
I have used 105 a lot over the years and topped it with a bunch of waxes, although not FK1000, which I would like to try someday.  I have even topped 105 with another sealant (111), which gave both my silver truck and diamond white SUV colors a little brighter shine but less depth than wax.  I like 845 and also the Griot's Premium Wax on top of 105.  I think the FK is somewhat similar to 845 which worked very well with 105 so I can't see it degrading the sealant at all.


 


Actually, as often as I use spray waxes, I might not continue with liquid or paste wax and stick with spray "toppers" over 105 because they are so much easier to use.  I like AquaWax over 105 and if I want a little richer look and greater protection I use OCW, which lasts a couple months for sure.  If I did not use spray waxes as often as I do and wanted six months of protection, I would look no further than 105 topped with 845.
 
Shortspark--if you like spray waxes you should give HD Express a try.   Been using Aquawax for the last few years, but gave Express a try and was very impressed with the amount of gloss it added over 105.


 


RPPM--seems to me that FK1000 over 601/501 and 601/105 is redundant--all are sealants--I easily get 6 months out of 601/105 alone. 
 
True, the only real benefit to topping 105 or any sealant comes from a good carnauba wax because of the added depth you usually get from wax.  Wax would not be needed at all and would be considered obsolete if it were used for protection only like it was in the old day.  There are many sealants and coatings today that far outlast most waxes.  I use wax for one purpose and one only - looks.  If it lasts a long time (like Collinite) I consider it a bonus.  Thanks for the tip on HD Express.  Being the great experimenter I am, that is yet another product I must try!
 
I was hoping to get a little better look out of the FK 1000P over the DG 105 but keep the excellent water sheeting capabilities.  I know I could top with wax, but not what i was looking for.  For some reason, DG 105 always seems a little muted to me.  That was why I added the 2nd coat.  Would a 3rd coat help?  According to the folks at DG, 2-3 coats max before it becomes a waste of time and materials.
 
RPPM- Much as I love suggesting that everyone try FK1000P, I'm not sure if I'd recommend it in your case.  My reasoning:


-For ~6 month durability I'd choose one product or the other.  I generally get (at least) that long with the FK1000P, but if you already have the DG on there I'm guessing you expect it to last that long (all by itself).


-I'd expect that topping with the FK1000P will make it impossible (or at least inadvisable) to add more of the DG later (which I'd probably want to do for greater durability).  You could, of course, add more FK1000P instead.


-The look of the FK1000P might not be an improvement in your eyes.  I don't really consider it an "appearance" LSP, though I do like how it looks on certain paints.  It generally lacks depth and "jetting".  Remember that while it's called a "High Temp Wax", FK1000P is really best thought of as a sealant, and it looks like a sealant...an old-school one.


-It might indeed have issues going over the DG, either not bonding (though that's never been an issue with the FK1000P combos I've tried) or with solvent-action messing up the DG (never had anything like that happen either).  I just don't have enough data about combinations (that include FK1000P) to make a real prediction; maybe I've just been lucky with the combos I've tried.


-FK1000P beads as opposed to sheeting; doesn't sound like what you  want.


-And when it's all said-and-done, IMO one fo the best things about the FK1000P is that with one application you get such great durability and protection.  Sure, I add another coat (or two) after the next wash(es), but that's me.  When somebody's gonna do a big layering-type job, maybe there's no reason to include FK1000P in the mix.
 
<span style="font-family:Arial, 'sans-serif';color:#222222;font-size:10.5pt;">That is a lot of topping, you already have 3 layers. I would go with a spray wax like d156 or aquawax for added protection, looks and sheeting. If you want some serious pop try an acrylic glaze like Wet Shine Glaze or Chemical Guys Glossworkz glaze.


 


 


<span style="font-family:Arial, 'sans-serif';color:#222222;font-size:10.5pt;">Here is my Durango RT with DG 501/601 topped with 105/601 topped with Wet Glaze 2.0


 


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Since you already have a number of layers on perhaps a spray on product would add the "Pop" your looking for.   I've been a long time user of Aquawax, but gave HD Express a try on my wife's black Golf and I was really surprised with the amount of "gloss" that it added to the paint.  I little different than most spray on products in that it has the consistency of a very thin LSP rather than a QD, but buffs off easily.   Supposed to last 30-60 days, but I've only had it on a couple of weeks so can't speak to durability, but after two weeks still is very slick,
 
To many layers in my opinion you may have bonding issues. 2 just to get even coverage for a final lsp. To much stuff of different products can work against you IMO. 


 


I just did a DG 501 polish and am going to top with 1000p or 476s .


 


Just my .02


 


Mike
 
M-D said:
<span style='color: #222222'><span style='font-family: Arial'><span style='font-size: 10px;'>That is a lot of topping, you already have 3 layers. I would go with a spray wax like d156 or aquawax for added protection, looks and sheeting. If you want some serious pop try an acrylic glaze like Wet Shine Glaze or Chemical Guys Glossworkz glaze.





<span style='color: #222222'><span style='font-family: Arial'><span style='font-size: 10px;'>Here is my Durango RT with DG 501/601 topped with 105/601 topped with Wet Glaze 2.0



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From time to time several people rave about wet glaze 2.0 (DWG?). Where is it available since a quick search showed it's gone out of production?



Also, topping a glaze on lsp sealant is also going to be very shortlived and may even strip some LSP in the process?



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RPPM said:
Maybe I will just slap some Collinite 915 over top of it, should give some more pop.
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Did the 915 top up seem to bring the extra pop you were looking for?

I have similar product stack you queried about and a white car.



Here is my white car wearing fk1000p (4 weeks after it had DG105).



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Pictures are taken after car wash 2 weeks post fk1000p application. Alone with 105/AW it looked great but I think I like FK topping better (deep white purity and car stays more cleaner).



I have 915 too and thinking to give that a go hoping it takes the looks further.



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sealthedeal-Noting that I was *perfectly* satisfied with the FK1000P on my white car, I don't think that topping it with a heavy-carnauba wax like the 915 would add more pop, but rather more depth and jetting.  If you notice the diff, I can't really predict whether you'll like it better/worse.


 


Oh, and IMO the DWG isn't something that oughta be considered a "glaze" in the conventional sense.  Not that I've ever gotten around to trying mine...
 
I stripped it off, and went with my old stand bye of Poorboys Polish with Sealant, and then 2 layers of 845 1 week apart.  I am always happy with that look and combo.
 
No, I didn't ever put the FK 1000P on.  I stripped off the DG 105/601 combo that was over the 501/601 combo.  I just didn't care for the look.  I felt it muted the flake in my paint.
 
RPPM- Ah, OK, copy that.  Thanks for explaining.  Wonder what it was about the DG stuff that muted it....but I'm glad you like the 845 (good on exterior trim too).


 


Having used 'em both I would've gone FK, but that's just me.  FWIW,  I get a lot more "flake pop" out of FK1000P than I do out of 845, it was almost too much on GM's Granite Metallic (IMO, others thought it looked great).  But the 845 isn't *bad* in this regard so I can understand your being happy with it.


 


Heh heh, I'll quit beating you over the head with my FK1000P fanboy stuff now!
 
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