First try with PC....micromarring?

Neo62381

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I've had my PC for quite some time now, but was only able to use it on glass, as I didn't have any pads. I've read way too many posts here on Autopia, and you guy's have greatly affected my wallet, and my way of life, all I do is work on my car now, lol. Well, today I finally decided to put my new pads and polishes to work. I ordered the Sonus SFX polishing pads, and Optimum Polish and Compound. I have a motorsports edition 2001 Dodge Intrepid R/T, and she's my baby, however, I've had to look at all the terrible swirl marks for way too long, and it was really getting discouraging. I started out with Optimum compound, and a White SFX-2 polishing pad. I read that it took a little longer for the Optimum lineup to breakdown, so after several slow passes, I turned off my PC, wiped off the residue and inspected. I was very impressed, as all of the swirl marks were gone, however I felt that that OC didn't leave the finish quite LSP ready. So, I stepped down to OP with the SFX-3 finishing pad, gave it several slow passes, wiped off the residue, and inspected. It got all off the swirl marks out as I had expected, and I was greatly impressed, however I felt it still didn't look near as good as some of the black panels I've seen on here, (partly because of the multitude of small microscopic dots in the paint{rocks maybe?} and water etching.) As I'm still kind of new to this game, I figured I would wait until I got some more skill to try and deal with the water etching, and small dots, I'm afraid I'll remove too much clear coat? I was very satisfied to say the least, then I decided to pull out my spotlight! I placed the beam on the paint, and looked, I was still impressed. So, I decided to bend down (almost sticking my nose on the paint) and inspect further, and if you look reeeeeaaaallly hard, you can see very microscopic hazing, I'm talking little scratches that are ions in width, depth, and length! For some reason I have a feeling that any one else would just disregard it and call it simply awesome, but I'm a picky SOB. I cannot stress how fine this hazing is, keep in mind that I had to look as hard as I could putting a VERY bright light on it. I have a feeling that if I was to put some LSP on it, it would fill it in and dissapear, but I don't want that! I feel like it should be prepped to where the only "Filling" that takes place is the deep scratches, and defects, ect ect. I've read a lot about how the SFX pads have a little more "bite" than others, maybe I just need to purchase an even softer pad? Or, it could be that I'm using too much polish, and it's all not breaking down like it should, although I read somewhere that optimum polish doesn't break down like others do, so I could be wrong. Am I? Maybe my eyesight is so super duper magnified, that I can see the bite marks left behind OP and need a gentler polish? Maybe I should just quit bieng so darn picky? Questions, Questions, Questions!!!

Any opinions would be greatly appreciated, as I want to do this right the first time!
 
Pictures would help to make a better decision on your problem.

I spend as much time on my vehicle as some. More than others but I never get down and squint my eye's to see scratches with a spot light. i do however use two- 1000 watt bulbs shining directly to the surface to see surface marring and scratches. Even when I think I have them all the next time I QD some come back.

You mite consider leaving it as is. but if your not satisfied one can go to Menzerna polishes like PO85RD or FPll to burnish the paint.

You mite consider KAIO or Poorboy's ProPolish it may clear up the problem that you describe. It may be applied on by hand with a good MF applicator. A PC with a finishing or polishing pad will work also.
 
There is nothing wrong with being a picky sob when it comes to detailing. I'll give you my experiance with Optimum products. They don't work as well with a PC as they do with a Rotary. I helped a freind yesterday with a black Dodge Ram and used both OC and OP on one side of the hood and then used SSR2.5 and PwC on the other side. All of the products were appled via PC using a med cut pad then a polishing pad. With the PC the SSR2.5 and PwC left a perfect shine were the OC and OP did not. I have recently learned how to use a Rotary and when using the Opt. products with it I get a simular finish as I do with the PC and poorboy products. The Opt. products are great, but I don't think you can get their full polishing abilities with a PC.
 
cwcad, I took as many pics as I could, however, on my cheapo 3 megapixel camera it wont show up, and looks like every other black panel you see.
 
Neo62381 said:
cwcad, I took as many pics as I could, however, on my cheapo 3 megapixel camera it wont show up, and looks like every other black panel you see.

I can sure understand that. Sometimes the pictures do not do justice.....Sometimes they do. Thought it was worth a try.
 
I read up some on pad types, and on a chart I found, it says the blue SFX pad is about the same abrasiveness as a DAS green and a Propel green! So...Im definately going to buy some more pads...and probably a less aggressive polish too. Just thought I'd give you all an update
 
The best finishing polish for micromarring/hazing for me, is Menzerna FP, FPII or PO85RD with a polishing pad.

Here is a close of micromarring/hazing

hazing_before.jpg


And here is it after FP

hazing_after.jpg


There is more info about this here if you are interested
http://melncal.com/detailing/
 
blkyukon,

The small scratches in the top pic is VERY similar to what I'm getting, only smaller. I went ahead earlier and purchased some softer pads and some RMG just before I read your post. I'm going to try OP with a propel finishing pad first and if that don't clear tihngs up a bit, I'll try it with RMG. I also ordered a black 0 aggressivness pad, so I may experiment some with it, I don't know. However, if I dont get the results I want, after seeing your pics, I'll definately be ordering some menzerna.

Small question: I've heard a lot about PO85RD bieng pretty much the best polish money can buy but however biemg expensive. Is PO85RD better than FPII? What are your experiences with it?
 
Neo62381 said:
Small question: I've heard a lot about PO85RD bieng pretty much the best polish money can buy but however biemg expensive. Is PO85RD better than FPII? What are your experiences with it?

FPll will give excellent results. PO85RD will give better results. It is extremely good when using a rotary to completely burnish the paint to attain a marr free finish.

If you are out of FPll try to get PO85RD. It may be hard since I believe it is not sold in the US any more. But I would not get rid of FPll just to get PO85RD.
 
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