First experience with CS...

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danforz

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Impressive stuff. It added a nice gloss to the car, though I don't feel it did wonders for the reflectivity. The "3Dness" of panels were also GREATLY increased as a result. I ended up hazing half the car with this stuff, so I'm assuming I used WAY too much. Never the less, it was still a quick application and I'm happy with the purchase.



Will this stuff look even better tomorrow when it fully cures?
 
I am going to try Z-CS for the first time tomorrow. I am kinda nervous since I tend to get heavy-handed when applying product. I guess I just spritz one time per panel (2 x 2 foot section). I have read that the gloss will intensify after it cures.
 
If you use it too thick, I recommend using Z6 about an hour or so after application incase it has spots that won't dry. It really seems to enhance the gloss. Though if I put it on correctly, it glosses up rather nicely the next day.
 
Glad you liked it. I have been playing with this stuff for months so here are the things you must do.



1. Brand new, never washed applicator

2. 1 spritz per panel, 2 may be needed on hood, roof, and trunk.

3. Allow to dry on it's own. Today in 55 F temps, it dried in about 15 minutes



If you follow those basic guidelines, you will be set.



Greg
 
If you lightly work it into the paint and go over any thick spots you see without adding more product, it clears and levels itself out on its own.
 
I also notice...it looks better the next day. I used my after Z5pro and its great. I think it would look better with after Z2pro...since z2pro give more reflectivity.
 
GregCavi said:
Glad you liked it. I have been playing with this stuff for months so here are the things you must do.



1. Brand new, never washed applicator

2. 1 spritz per panel, 2 may be needed on hood, roof, and trunk.

3. Allow to dry on it's own. Today in 55 F temps, it dried in about 15 minutes



If you follow those basic guidelines, you will be set.



Greg
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So I shouldn't wash the applicator after use? I have a dedicated CS applicator but I'm planning on cleaning it with the rest of the load. Is this an issue?
 
Danforz said:
So I shouldn't wash the applicator after use? I have a dedicated CS applicator but I'm planning on cleaning it with the rest of the load. Is this an issue?
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You can wash after the applicator becomes soiled. You must wash with only CS used applicators. In other words, separate when using (ziplock) and isolate washing. I use a little white vinegar in the final rinse cycle.



No difference between using a brand new pad or a properly washed pad.



Discard or dedicate to another usage when the fibers loss their softness or pad losses it plushness.
 
I tried Z-AIO and Z-CS tonight. It was like a Zen experience trusting that very little product would go a long way. Holding to the 1 spritz = 1 panel rule was kinda tough. It left a nice gloss, though. I hope it will get more shiny after the Z-CS cures.
 
johny said:
I tried Z-AIO and Z-CS tonight. It was like a Zen experience trusting that very little product would go a long way. Holding to the 1 spritz = 1 panel rule was kinda tough. It left a nice gloss, though. I hope it will get more shiny after the Z-CS cures.
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Yes, I also found this so extremely difficult that I couldn't do it. It literally feels like you're wiping a dry pad across the paint. I used about 2 sprays per panel and 4 on the hood and roof. When I felt that the pad was dry I tested it by applying it to the glass and sure enough, zero product adhered to the glass. (Bone dry) However, I just did 2 mid sized sedans and used about 20 -30 sprays on each and the bottle is still full. The fact is you don't use a lot, but, ten sprays? C'mon! Am I doing something wrong?
 
mborner said:
Yes, I also found this so extremely difficult that I couldn't do it. It literally feels like you're wiping a dry pad across the paint. I used about 2 sprays per panel and 4 on the hood and roof. When I felt that the pad was dry I tested it by applying it to the glass and sure enough, zero product adhered to the glass. (Bone dry) However, I just did 2 mid sized sedans and used about 20 -30 sprays on each and the bottle is still full. The fact is you don't use a lot, but, ten sprays? C'mon! Am I doing something wrong?
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No, but over the rainy weekend I tried a new-to-me application technique that I though may add more brillance to CS. I simply increased the amount per panel to the point where one could actually see the application more clearly. With the weather being so much warmer than this winter and humidity very comfortable, I was curious to see what would happen. To my surprise the final outcome was very impressive and quite noticeable on my Millennium Yellow. More wetness (paint looks like it just came out the paint booth) and no hazying or streaking. The amount used was still less than an 1/8 of an ounce. I duplicated the same thing yesterday with some augmentation in gloss. The final outcome was so impressive that I have not Z8'd the application (more wetness and gloss is a real possiblity :nixweiss). I will Z8 today, about 40 hrs after last CS to see if this will add anything or overwhelm the system.



If anyone has the time (Brian, John, Greg, Sean, Michael, etc) and facility to repeat please do.:hifive:
 
I also noticed when it's in the 80's, I don't get any haze what so ever. It dries up really fast and didn't have to Z6 it down. Usually I'll get most of the haze on my hood when the temps are cooler.



I'm going to PC my trunk and spoiler this afternoon. I'll apply the proper polish to eliminate the swirls then run ZPC, ZAIO, and then by hand 2x Z5p W/ZFX. If the drying time doesn't affect my schedule (dinner/ironing clothes etc) then I'll apply a 3rd coat of Z2p ENABLED with ZFX then top with ZCS.



I think 1 spray on my trunk and 1 spray on my spoiler will be enough using ZCS.



I just hate it at night when you're applying ZCS you can't see. I can only rely on the garage light to evaluate my work.





As for dedicating you pads to ZCS. Usually when they get really dirty, I would use those for my wheels and label them "Z-CS wheels". So far I've only been using 2 pads (from Zaino) and I think they work great. Hopefully one day I'll try my Wal-Mart brand MF applicator pads for Z-CS.
 
mborner said:
Yes, I also found this so extremely difficult that I couldn't do it. It literally feels like you're wiping a dry pad across the paint. I used about 2 sprays per panel and 4 on the hood and roof. When I felt that the pad was dry I tested it by applying it to the glass and sure enough, zero product adhered to the glass. (Bone dry) However, I just did 2 mid sized sedans and used about 20 -30 sprays on each and the bottle is still full. The fact is you don't use a lot, but, ten sprays? C'mon! Am I doing something wrong?
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Yeah, I had the same problem. I basically just felt like I was using a dry pad the entire time. I noticed some streaks this morning, which means somehow, someway, I must have used too much Z-CS in spots. :wall



Oh, how I sometimes long for the days of my ignorant youth when I would just slop on Nu-Finish as I pleased. :D



But the gloss and reflection in the non-hazy areas is beautiful. Really crisp and clean. My metallic flakes are a-poppin'.
 
Edwin,



I'll give that a try by using a little more product. It's windy and it feels cold although it's in the 70's. I'll be in the garage working that section I stated above ^. Knowing me, I usually add a little extra Zaino (CS) in particular since it's hard to judge if you're actually "covering" the panel. I don't think your technique will work since it's cooler today, but I'll give it a shot.



If it hazes, I'll Z8 it down the following day.
 
joshtpa said:
I thought too much would create hazing and uneveness per your previous posts? Is this not the case?
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That's what I thought it may do. I was bored Saturday and Sunday morning and to my surprise no problems with additional spritzes per panel. Maybe I was actually applying too little previously even though during beta testing I tested over-application. The weather was a lot cooler then. Being stingy might have been my problem originally and now that I see how far this stuff goes, a little extra spritz per panel maybe the key to added POP. :nixweiss



Michael, let us know. You can always Z6 any haze immediately if you desire.:xyxthumbs
 
So what do you attribute all the hazing problems people are getting? Myself included....You said before we were all using too much product. what do you think it could be from?
 
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