Finally had some success with M205

[SuperBee364]

When Mike Phillips demo'ed 105/205 with a DA, he specifically used just 6 passes - 4 passes at moderate and 2 passes with lighter pressure.

That really seems to be the ticket.



Yesterday, Greg Nichols and I did two cars: a 911 and a Land Rover. Both required some pretty serious correction. So of course, our first step was M105. Greg was using the new formula 105, while I was using the original. The old formula finished down much nicer than the new. I was also able to use much shorter working times for any given amount of correction.



After the 105, we both attempted to follow it up with M205 by rotary. Neither one of us were able to get the 205 to finish out holo free on the 911. But to be fair, we also couldn't get 106FF or PO85RD to finish out clean, either; they all left compounding marks and holos on such soft paint. I had a very small bottle of Ultrafina, and (as usual), it finished down perfectly. Following every attempt, we were doing very thorough IPA wipedowns. What appeared to be a perfect finish would then show holos and comounding marks. There is no doubt that M205 fills, but so what? It seems like every polish does, and that it's a by-product of the lubes. It's just something we all need to be aware of, and take proper precautions, like IPA wipedowns.



So after striking out with M205 and the rotary, we pulled out our PC's. M205 with a PC is awesome. Not only did it finish out cleanly, but the gloss level was unreal for a polish with such corrective ability. We were both stunned and impressed with the results. We ended up using M205, Soft Buff 2.0 pads, and the PC as the final polishing step on both the 911 and the Land Rover. I was doing two to three passes with medium pressure, followed by three passes with light pressure. I would still very much like to be able to use it successfully on the rotary, though. I think this polish is only going to finish out clean with a rotary on harder paints, like my Chawjah.



Using M205 to finish was fairly fast, too. Not quite as fast as UF, but close.



Now if I can just find a place that has a gallon or two of original formula 105, I'll be set.

 

[Jason Rose]

Jason, I didn't mean to come across as being harsh on Meg's products at all. Quite the contrary, I think 105 is one of the greatest detailing products of all time. I also didn't mean to imply that I like long working times. I don't. At all, really. That's the one thing that really sold me on the original formula 105. Fifteen seconds, and you're done.



I might have to disagree with you a bit about the finicky aspect, though. Quite a few rather seasoned detailers have had to do a bit of adjusting to get these new products to perform. Some of us have had to "adjust" more than others. *some* might even say the new stuff is finicky. Semantics aside, these new SMAT based products *do* require people to alter their procedures from what they're used to as being "normal." But like I said, they are well worth the time and effort to make adjustments to your polishing because the results they produce are, without a doubt, some of the very best.



Keep formulating that good stuf, Jsson!

Thanks for clarifying. In addition to trying to help your situation, I was sharing comments that might help a bunch of other folks (some that like long cycle products...cuz I know there are many out there.) But I'm with you. I like getting on the paint, get those defects out now, and move on.



Thanks for being disagreeable with me if that's how you feel. Certainly prefer honesty. Perhaps my greatest strength in this situation is also a huge blinder...I'm too close to the product. I was part of an internal team that worked with the product for over a year before launch. I'm also surrounded by folks that know the product well and use it frequently. So it doesn't seem finicky to me at all. But as you pointed out...once the adjustment is made...it's a no-brainer. Perhaps my adjustment was made so long ago I forgot about it?



Thanks for your comments. And yes, our development team is on the move. We are continuing on with making the good stuff.

Jason

 

[Jason Rose]

That really seems to be the ticket.





After the 105, we both attempted to follow it up with M205 by rotary. Neither one of us were able to get the 205 to finish out holo free on the 911. But to be fair, we also couldn't get 106FF or PO85RD to finish out clean, either; they all left compounding marks and holos on such soft paint. I had a very small bottle of Ultrafina, and (as usual), it finished down perfectly. Following every attempt, we were doing very thorough IPA wipedowns. What appeared to be a perfect finish would then show holos and comounding marks. There is no doubt that M205 fills, but so what? It seems like every polish does, and that it's a by-product of the lubes. It's just something we all need to be aware of, and take proper precautions, like IPA wipedowns.



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Can I ask some questions please? I'm trying to understand this result.



Were your M205 and UF applications on the same panel of the vehicle? And did you IPA both spots to see M205 and UF results side by side?



M205 application - backing plate used? Buffing pad used? Speed?

UF application - backing plate used? Buffing pad used? Speed?



I'm really glad the M205 DA application came through for you, but curious about your rotary result relative to UF.

 

[imported_sal3291]

Used 205 for the first time this weekend. Used with a PC and was very impressed

 

[SuperBee364]

Can I ask some questions please? I'm trying to understand this result.



Were your M205 and UF applications on the same panel of the vehicle? And did you IPA both spots to see M205 and UF results side by side? Yes, side by side on the hood. Every application of every polish used on the car was always followed by IPA for defect inspection.



M205 application - backing plate used? Buffing pad used? Speed? Edge 2k six inch red wave (zero bite) pad, which uses no backing plate. 1200 rpm, medium pressure for two passes, weight of the buffer for three passes.

UF application - backing plate used? Buffing pad used? Speed? Exactly the same.



I'm really glad the M205 DA application came through for you, but curious about your rotary result relative to UF.

We were pretty happy about that, too, because I didn't have nearly enough Ultrafina to do the Porsche.



Our experiences so far with 205 match 151: they are great to use with a DA, but we can not get either of them to finish out holo free on a rotary. Well, one exception... I was able to get 205 to finish out very cleanly with a rotary on my Charger. It finished down to PO106FF levels. This is a fairly hard clear coat, though. On this same clear coat, 151 *will not* finish down holo free with a rotary. Works great with a PC.