Finally had some success with M205

SuperBee364

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So yesterday, while I was wiping the egg off my face from mis-quoting Kevin Brown, I started looking for the source of my "use moderate pressure for the first few passes, then light pressure for the last few passes" advice I had been giving people, and erroneously quoted my source as being Kevin Brown.



I couldn't find it.



So today, I did the unthinkable: I read the instructions on the back of the M205 bottle. Imagine my shock when it says, right there in black and white under the "Tips" section: "To achieve swirl free finish, apply moderate pressure on initial passes, reducing pressure gradually with very light pressure on final passes."



This same piece of advice is given on the back of the M105 bottle, but it is specifically listed as an instruction under the DA section. It doesn't say anything about decreasing pressure under the rotary instructions. Regardless, I have gotten best results from M105 by decreasing pressure on the last few passes.



On the 205 bottle, it does give this as a specific instruction under the DA section, then it does NOT say to do it under the rotary instructions, but yet it *does* say it under the general "Tips" section. Got that?? ;)



OK, Supe, shut up and sum it up....



I just went out and did a couple panels with M205. I stuck with the moderate pressure followed by light pressure technique, but I did do one thing differently. Yesterday, someone (and I need to go back and look for the name to give proper credit) said something about possibly working it too long. That kinda stuck in my thick head. So I decreased my working time a lot. I did two passes with moderate pressure, and two with just the weight of the buffer. I followed up with three 91% IPA wipedowns, using a new Eurow MF for each IPA application. I feel confident in saying there are *no* remaining oils. Squeaky clean. I then used every light source I have available for inspection. The finish was beautiful. The sun isn't going to be available to check for holos until tomorrow, but I'm pretty confident that even the sun isn't gonna out any defects in this finish.



My paint is pretty hard; it's not especially difficult to get even some pretty aggressive polishes to finish down very well and holo free. So while it is definite progress in the right direction, I still need to try it on some softer clear.



But at least it's a start.
 
Yay!



Glad you got the results you did.

It doesn't matter who got credit to me... When in doubt start from square one. You did by reading the bottle! Great news. :spot
 
eyezack87 said:
Hehe, this inspired me to finally bust open my M205 instead of Power Finish tomorrow :)



Would love to hear how it goes for you.



Kevin Brown said:
Yay!



Glad you got the results you did.

It doesn't matter who got credit to me... When in doubt start from square one. You did by reading the bottle! Great news. :spot



It took me a while to catch on to 105, and I'm glad I stuck it out til I did. I'm hoping it works out the same way with 205.



BTW, priming the pad with product really does help a ton.
 
SuperBee364 said:
I just went out and did a couple panels with M205. I stuck with the moderate pressure followed by light pressure technique, but I did do one thing differently. Yesterday, someone (and I need to go back and look for the name to give proper credit) said something about possibly working it too long. That kinda stuck in my thick head. So I decreased my working time a lot. I did two passes with moderate pressure, and two with just the weight of the buffer.



I still need to try it on some softer clear.



That was me :nana:



As for trying it on soft clear... like I just posted- worked flawlessly for me on Infiniti soft clear.



If you really want to blow your socks off, use the black SOLO pad for your final pass. ;)
 
Glad to hear! I love 105 for correction and the way it finishes but I haven't tried 205 yet. Powerfinish is sweet and I love the working times. It's the one thing I wish 105 had.
 
Denzil said:
Glad to hear you finally had some success with M205 Supe! :)

Thanks, Denzil. :) Have you tried 205 yet, by chance?

Lumadar said:
That was me :nana:



As for trying it on soft clear... like I just posted- worked flawlessly for me on Infiniti soft clear.



If you really want to blow your socks off, use the black SOLO pad for your final pass. ;)



Thank you, Lumadar! :bow:bow I had definitely been overworking it. I have a Soft Buff 2.0 finishing pad, but not the SOLO one...



zaxjax said:
Glad to hear! I love 105 for correction and the way it finishes but I haven't tried 205 yet. Powerfinish is sweet and I love the working times. It's the one thing I wish 105 had.



Yeah, working with 105/205 is much different than Menzerna polishes.



shine said:
Thanks for sharing Supe. I can't wait to give M205 a shot when it arrives.



Hope it works for you, Shine...Let us know?



maarten22 said:
Is there any difference between the black solo pad and the 2.0 finishing pad??



The black SOLO pad has the diamond design cut into the foam. I'm not sure if it's the same foam as the Soft Buff 2.0, but it sure looks similar.
 
SuperBee364 said:
Thanks, Denzil. :) Have you tried 205 yet, by chance?



Yeah I actually have but I can't recall what vehicle I used it on, LoL. All I remember is that I got it to finish down pretty nicely. I guess I'll have to use it again (instead of Power Finish) to remind me of how well it works, hehe.
 
maarten22 said:
Is there any difference between the black solo pad and the 2.0 finishing pad??



They are different foams. I find the SOLO pad to be a tad softer, and it feels as if the pores are smaller. Granted, the observation about the pores is just that- an observation, not official information.



But I do know they are different foam from the Softbuff 2.0 pads.
 
Glad to see it worked out for you. I am starting to gather all the KB info I can. I have my moms van that has bad oxidation to try and correct, next week my fiance is out of town and I have a few cars lined up and want to practice the KB method
 
Here you go buddy...



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:p I can't wait to get my M205 finally and use it even more (tried it for 10 mins the other day but didn't really get a chance to work with it at all)



glad it worked out for you
 
Scottwax said:
When in doubt, read the directions. :2thumbs:



:o Sometimes it pays off to RTFM.



lecchilo said:
Here you go buddy...



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:p I can't wait to get my M205 finally and use it even more (tried it for 10 mins the other day but didn't really get a chance to work with it at all)



glad it worked out for you



LoL, thanks! :)



Tomorrow's gonna be a good test of M205. Greg and I are tag teaming a 911 and a Range Rover.



There still hasn't been enough sun out today to check the 'bee for grams.



Edit: The sun finally peeked out for a few minutes. I just did a full sun inspection of the area done with 205 last night. No holos to be found. I'm really quite impressed with the finish left by 205; on my paint, it's as good as 106FF.
 
M105 and M205 are made for speed. They will do their work early in the buffing cycle.



So if you like to make love to the paint and give it long soothing massaging passes with the buffer...you may get that with M105 or M205. There are other products that will do that long cycle thing for you...even within the Meguiar's line.



I've heard some people talk about a learning curve with M105 and M205.



They are not "finicky" products.



Folks that "short cycle it" and don't carry their buffer passes out too far know that they are easy, fast, and efficient products to use.
 
Jason Rose said:
M105 and M205 are made for speed. They will do their work early in the buffing cycle.



So if you like to make love to the paint and give it long soothing massaging passes with the buffer...you may get that with M105 or M205. There are other products that will do that long cycle thing for you...even within the Meguiar's line.



I've heard some people talk about a learning curve with M105 and M205.



They are not "finicky" products.



Folks that "short cycle it" and don't carry their buffer passes out too far know that they are easy, fast, and efficient products to use.



Jason, I didn't mean to come across as being harsh on Meg's products at all. Quite the contrary, I think 105 is one of the greatest detailing products of all time. I also didn't mean to imply that I like long working times. I don't. At all, really. That's the one thing that really sold me on the original formula 105. Fifteen seconds, and you're done.



I might have to disagree with you a bit about the finicky aspect, though. Quite a few rather seasoned detailers have had to do a bit of adjusting to get these new products to perform. Some of us have had to "adjust" more than others. *some* might even say the new stuff is finicky. Semantics aside, these new SMAT based products *do* require people to alter their procedures from what they're used to as being "normal." But like I said, they are well worth the time and effort to make adjustments to your polishing because the results they produce are, without a doubt, some of the very best.



Keep formulating that good stuf, Jsson! :)
 
When Mike Phillips demo'ed 105/205 with a DA, he specifically used just 6 passes - 4 passes at moderate and 2 passes with lighter pressure.
 
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