FINAL DETAIL / LAST TOUCH is there a $3.00 difference?

Gadfly

Gadfly

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My question: Since Final Detail is claimed to be not bodyshop safe, is it then, that Meguires is remiss by not including the "non bodyshop compatable" components in the MSDS?



If so, what is the real difference between Final Detail and Last Touch? Besides $3.00. Inquiring minds want to know. :confused:
 
Let me put this another way:



Final Detail is claimed to not be bodyshop safe, supposedly because it contains "silicones." But, no "silicones" are listed on its MSDS.



Last Touch does list "silicones" in its MSDS. But, it costs $3.00 more per gallon.



Something in there just doesn't compute. Is there a REAL difference between these products besides the name and $3.00?
 
I dunno. Final Detail is NOT bodyshop safe b/c it adds wax to the paint

Final Inspection (I guess it is called last touch now???) does not add wax or silicones to the finish.



Final detail is going to be better for QD between washings.
 
The changes were more than likely done for VOC compliance. As to the price increase that could be partly due to the cost to reformulate the product. Who knows but, I don't think they changed the name just to raise the price.
 
LouisanaJeeper said:
I dunno. Final Detail is NOT bodyshop safe b/c it adds wax to the paint

Final Inspection (I guess it is called last touch now???) does not add wax or silicones to the finish.



Final detail is going to be better for QD between washings.
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Neither Final Detail or the new Last Touch Spray Detailer are body shop safe.
 
Gadfly said:
My question: Since Final Detail is claimed to be not bodyshop safe, is it then, that Meguires is remiss by not including the "non bodyshop compatable" components in the MSDS?
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Considering that there are no publicly accessible MSDS sheets for the vast majority of the products we use I would say they are not remiss by deciding to keep certain ingredients a TS (Trade Secret) as the MSDS states.



I forwarded this thread to Mike Phillips. He will probably have a better explanation on the differences between Final Detail and Last Touch.
 
Gadfly said:
My question: Since Final Detail is claimed to be not bodyshop safe, is it then, that Meguires is remiss by not including the "non bodyshop compatable" components in the MSDS?



If so, what is the real difference between Final Detail and Last Touch? Besides $3.00. Inquiring minds want to know. :confused:
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Hi Gadfly,



I'll look into this and see if I can answer your questions.



Mike
 
I can't ask more than that! Thanks for responding. I'm looking forward for Meguires reply.



Ray aka Gadfly
 
Gadfly said:
Let me put this another way:



Final Detail is claimed to not be bodyshop safe, supposedly because it contains "silicones." But, no "silicones" are listed on its MSDS.



Last Touch does list "silicones" in its MSDS. But, it costs $3.00 more per gallon.



Something in there just doesn't compute. Is there a REAL difference between these products besides the name and $3.00?
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An MSDS only has to list those ingredients that are considered harmful (to people and the environment) and that are greater than 1%. Many components aren't listed on MSDS sheets. Manufacturers take different approaches to listing products, as some will list everything in the product regardless if it is necessary and others choose to list only those that are necessary. The fact of the matter is, Final Detail will soon no longer be available, so it's really irrelevant about the cost difference. As far as difference in product, I would assume it's a slightly different formula as they have revised some of their product line because of more stringent regualtions on the use of certain products. A member on another forum I visit had a chance to use it and said Last Touch appeared to be somewhat different, but worked excellent just the same.:D
 
94 Stang: I agree with what you say - but, we are comparing products from the same company. There is, iimplied, a consistency of reporting. Final Detail - does it or does it not contain non-bodyshop components. If so, why aren't they listed in the MSDS?



Sometimes I am uncomfortable with my "nom de plume" Gadfly. But, enquireing minds need to know.
 
I am not sure I understand this "implied consistancy of reporting" jargon you mention. Most of the companies that produce the products we use don't even make their MSDS sheets publicly accessible. It never fails to amaze me the grief that Meguiars gets because of the MSDS sheets yet I have never seen anyone complain that other companies don't make their MSDS sheets publicly available. I guess that is where they get the term "blind faith" :D



You don't need the MSDS to determine if Final Detail is body shop safe. That is not the purpose of the MSDS. That information is printed in the professional catalog and I believe on the bottles also. A quick call to Meguiars could also confirm that information. FINAL DETAIL and LAST TOUCH are NOT body shop safe.



Bottom line is MSDS sheets exist to report possibly hazardous chemicals so that people who come in contact with products can be aware of what is in them and take proper precautions. They do not exist for and are not written in a manner so that people can do product comparisons based on the ingredients.
 
Hi all,



I have the Technical Bulletin right here in front of me, here's some tidbits that should help.



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Meguiar's Last Touch produces incredible depth, shine and gloss. This spray-on, wipe-off product has a unique blend of polymer and lubricating agents that increase gloss and remove fingerprints, smudges and other contaminants for the ultimate showroom shine.



Available in 1-gallon, and 5-gallon containers



pH = 8.0



Paintable = No



Dilution = Ready to use



Pro Tips = Acts as a fantastic lubricant with Meguiar’s Detailing Clay, (C-2000 & C-2100), dilute 1:1 with water and apply a liberal amount to surface.



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On a side note, the product has been improved. Meguiar’s is always improving products, if there is a benefit to the user or the surface to which the product is applied, or just new technology.



Mike
 
Gadfly said:
94 Stang: I agree with what you say - but, we are comparing products from the same company. There is, iimplied, a consistency of reporting. Final Detail - does it or does it not contain non-bodyshop components. If so, why aren't they listed in the MSDS?
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Yeah, I too don't get this. The actual product says it is not body-shop safe. That seems like a pretty solid answer... So why does it matter what is in the MSDS, from a body-shop safe perspective?



Where did you get the $3 difference from? Do you have it locally available? I haven't seen it yet.



Mosca, I'm like 2/3s of the way through mine. You aren't using it enough obviously... It makes everything better, paint, glass, chrome, wood, paper cuts...
 
Gadfly said:
Oh, Boy! Thanks, rjstaaf. Let's see how this plays out.
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What is there to play out? I guess you need to make it more clear as to what you are getting at. I was under the impression you were asking if Final Detail and Last Touch were body shop safe. Is there something else? Are you saying you want the rest of the ingredients listed for Final Detail? If so, don't hold your breath Meguiars is under no obligation to publish that information. Why do you care anyway, Final Detail is discontinued. :nixweiss



If you are wondering if Last Touch is worth the $3 difference than you are either going to have to try both yourself or wait until someone else does and reports on it. I just ordered a gallon of Last Touch today directly from Meguiars (you can order by the single gallon by the way instead of having to buy 4) Since shipping is now out of TN I should have it in a couple of days. They were also nice enough to waive shipping for me which was way cool :xyxthumbs
 
Hey,



Well from my limiting testing with it so far, it does seem to have a little more "pop" to the look. It also seems to be really slippery. So far, I am really impressed with the product! Even the smell (banana/coconut) is starting to grow on me a little, though I still prefer the smell of the Final Detail!



Here is a pic of the new Last Touch:



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Tim
 
Tim,



What else have you tried from the new detailer line so far. I would be interested to hear your comparisons between the old and the new.



Thanks
 
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