Ferraris, ENZO, SWIRLS, marrs, you will cry!

I had to stop by my VW stealership and while waiting, I was looking at this guy washing a Passat with a brush (horsetail) - started at the very bottom on the front of the car and moved up to the hood. :shocked :shocked :down :down
 
Alas, they are probably too busy racing each other on the track

or having some illicit dalliances with members of the opposite sex.



When those guys talk about "smooth marr-free surface", they

certainly are not talking about paint.

:o



Let's face it, we here in autopia are just plain jealous (or at least

I am). :D



But seriously, those paints look horrendous. :(
 
I feel your pain, that Enzo didn't look very healthy at all.



I recently did a cabinet job for a guy with 150 cars. When I walked through his collection, you could see some very minor swirls, nothing too major though. Although, he had a 1962 Ferrari SuperAmerica, which he reportedly paid over 1 million dollars for, with some wax residue. It's not a big deal, but he just pays these 2 guys to do nothing but keep the cars clean. I doubt they're professional detailers and probably don't really know what they're doing.



Oh, and is it just me, or is the Enzo a lot better looking in person, than in pictures?
 
A good portion of my mechanic's clientele have exotics. Ferraris , twin turbo Porsches, Lotus's etc. Almost all of them look like s***. I told him to hook me up with these customers, seeing that we're also friends. His response was: " What are you nuts! These guys nickel and dime US to death. You think they want to pay a couple hundred bucks to detail their cars?" The funny thing is that his customers that do pay for my services are average Joes with "average" cars, that take pride in the way their "average" cars look. Go figure!!
 
gsrjedi said:
I feel your pain, that Enzo didn't look very healthy at all.



I recently did a cabinet job for a guy with 150 cars. When I walked through his collection, you could see some very minor swirls, nothing too major though. Although, he had a 1962 Ferrari SuperAmerica, which he reportedly paid over 1 million dollars for, with some wax residue. It's not a big deal, but he just pays these 2 guys to do nothing but keep the cars clean. I doubt they're professional detailers and probably don't really know what they're doing.



Oh, and is it just me, or is the Enzo a lot better looking in person, than in pictures?
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I saw the F1 cars at Indy (on TV) yesterday and the Ferraris were full of swirl too!!
 
ebpcivicsi said:
I had a similar experience at this show.



Owner overheard me talking to my friend about how bad the swirls were on his paint and how easily they could be fixed. He said "that is just the way these clear coats are, they are all like that." I just laughed and walked away, poor car.
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Makes me sad...........to have a skill set and job to afford a car in that price bracket only to be clueless about such a simple thing as paint care:nixweiss :( .



In the end I gues I'd rather know what they do so I could afford a Ferrari if I wanted one:xyxthumbs
 
So sad to see :(



I've been to a few car shows since I've been a full fledged Autopian...Not one car has gotten my approval. I almost feel like I'm looking to hard, but THIS IS A SHOW CAR PEOPLE.



Oh yeah, included in one of those cars at a show was an old v-16 Cadillac. Don't get me wrong, amazing machine, but the owner had a Concours d' Elegance License plate on it, so you expect NO DIRT or SWIRLS, well, there were plenty of swirlies. :(
 
NickC said:
The funny thing is that his customers that do pay for my services are average Joes with "average" cars, that take pride in the way their "average" cars look. Go figure!!
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Some of my best paying customers have been what you would call the Average Joe, they are the guys who works hard, and they're not poor, but they're not what you think of when you think of someone who's "rich".



I always meet people that from all observances, one would think they were "rich", and own very nice, expensive cars, be they exotic, street rods, classics or what have you.



I have found these people are usually harder to sell a show car detail to compared to selling one to the Average Joe.



:nixweiss :nixweiss :nixweiss



I find on of the hardest thing to do with people that own really nice cars is to get them to trust to touch their baby if they don't know you from Adam.



Mike
 
Unreal.....On that same note, I just detailed a 2003 Jag Vanden Plas. It was a gorgeous deep green. He had severe water spots all over the hood, top & trunk. Before I started, I asked him if he was aware of them and he said, "That's why you are here." I asked him how often he washed his car and his reply was about once a month........Mind you, his home is worth close to a million bucks and he has a four car garage. He did say that he likes to leave the car outside and the sprinkler system hits it a couple of times a day.....It's a well water system too.......His wife has fairly new 740 BMW that looks the same way.......People like these are the same whether rich , middle class, or poor. They don't see what we do. :nixweiss
 
tdekany said:
I saw the F1 cars at Indy (on TV) yesterday and the Ferraris were full of swirl too!!
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LOL! I noticed that myself. I commented about that in front of my friends and they looked at me like I had 2 heads.
 
oh the horror!!!! :scared



interestingly enough, a certain car magazine featured a black car where swirls could be seen. you would think that if you're car is going to be shown off, you'd want to make it the best looking you could make it. i guess not everyone thinks the same. :nixweiss
 
the thing is though, a lot of ferrari owners race their cars at the track of some sort. so it's natural most people who "race" doesn't know a thing about car polishes and waxes.



it's sad really. i track my rsx all the times and it's always gonna be clean and shiny.
 
Few comments to add to this thread:



- It is quite interesting that on the whole, people who are very intensely into racing generally don't pay as much attention to the paint. My theory has always been, a person is either focused on performance or appearance. I'd like to think of myself as being well balanced, but let's face it, I'm a little skewed to the appearance.



- My grandmother once told me that he who looks rich is probably poor, and he who looks poor is probably rich. She went on to say people who have money don't feel they have to impress anyone, and those that don't feel they do.



I noticed this very clearly a few years ago when I went to a subway and a guy I knew had just made $100 million on a company sale was driving a 15 year old honda wearing his blue jeans and flannel shirt. A guy who used to work for him was driving a new Corvette, but had to work well into his 60's to have enough $$ for retirement.





I know I take great pride in how my vehicles look (obviously, I'm posting on Autopia), and can't fathom the idea of allowing a new Ferrari to look so bad, let alone a $650,000 + Enzo. Makes you wonder.
 
Mike Phillips said:
I always meet people that from all observances, one would think they were "rich", and own very nice, expensive cars, be they exotic, street rods, classics or what have you.
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You should read "The Millionaire Next Door", it's very enlightening.



There is a Ferrari dealership near where I work, and the owner has an F40. They have it on display a lot as it's the owner's car. They also have their own detailing staff. Every time I see that F40, I cringe. The swirls on it are horrific. You can see them in the shade they are so bad...



I guess just because you can afford something doesn't mean you will appreciate it. :nixweiss
 
[Begin Detailers Anonymous]



Hi, My name is Dom, and I have a Ferrari with Swirls!!!



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My car is an older car (1975), with an older paint job. OK, my car has swirls. Lots of them. Also, lots of imperfections in the paint, and a few dings.



The major issue: TIME.



I wish I had the time to better maintain the car, but even if I did, there are still enough imperfections in the paint that I sometimes feel, why bother. Also, I do occasionally track the car, which does not do wonders for the paint condition.



My car is primarily for my enjoyment, and I don't get to drive it as often as I'd like. I can clean it up real nice, and spend hours detailing it, but in just one spirited drive, it starts going to crap. For instance, I will try to drive it to work once a week. When it is parked at work, it gets lots of dust, pollen, sap, bird crap. At the end of the day, it looks like crap again, IMO (and no, I don't want to deal with a car cover, though I have been reconsidering). I can do a quick detail, but that ain't going to get rid of the swirls.



When push comes to shove, I'd rather be driving it than cleaning it. Yes, I do keep it "nice looking", but if you look close, you will see the swirls.



I do plan on getting the car repainted next year, which will improve the paint condition. I will try to maintain it as much as possible, but realistically, I will be limited by time. If I spent 2 hours detailing the car after every drive, my wife would divorce me, or kill me, or make my life miserable in other ways. Also, I like to spend quality time with my kids. Quality time with the kids usually does not involve the car (they're too young to detail).



I suspect many of the owners of the ferrari's at the show feel the same way. They don't have the time, they probably don't really notice the swirls, and therefore don't really care. Add some quick detailer, car looks nice, lets go!



Just MHO.



Dom
 
Dom said:
[Begin Detailers Anonymous]



Hi, My name is Dom, and I have a Ferrari with Swirls!!!



[/End Detailers Anonymous]





My car is an older car (1975), with an older paint job. OK, my car has swirls. Lots of them. Also, lots of imperfections in the paint, and a few dings.



The major issue: TIME.



I wish I had the time to better maintain the car, but even if I did, there are still enough imperfections in the paint that I sometimes feel, why bother. Also, I do occasionally track the car, which does not do wonders for the paint condition.



My car is primarily for my enjoyment, and I don't get to drive it as often as I'd like. I can clean it up real nice, and spend hours detailing it, but in just one spirited drive, it starts going to crap. For instance, I will try to drive it to work once a week. When it is parked at work, it gets lots of dust, pollen, sap, bird crap. At the end of the day, it looks like crap again, IMO (and no, I don't want to deal with a car cover, though I have been reconsidering). I can do a quick detail, but that ain't going to get rid of the swirls.



When push comes to shove, I'd rather be driving it than cleaning it. Yes, I do keep it "nice looking", but if you look close, you will see the swirls.



I do plan on getting the car repainted next year, which will improve the paint condition. I will try to maintain it as much as possible, but realistically, I will be limited by time. If I spent 2 hours detailing the car after every drive, my wife would divorce me, or kill me, or make my life miserable in other ways. Also, I like to spend quality time with my kids. Quality time with the kids usually does not involve the car (they're too young to detail).



I suspect many of the owners of the ferrari's at the show feel the same way. They don't have the time, they probably don't really notice the swirls, and therefore don't really care. Add some quick detailer, car looks nice, lets go!



Just MHO.



Dom
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Why not get the car swirl free(or as close as possible), then maintain with the PROPER washing/drying tools/techniques. Keeping a car free from MOST marring is not that time consuming, just use the right tools and methods and polish as needed.



FWIW, my car has 106,000+ miles on it and is driven EVERYday 80+ miles.



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I wash weekly and polish as needed(maybe twice a year). I can guarantee you this though, if it was in car show it would not look like the pics of the Ferraris.
 
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