Favorite Rinseless Wash as of Sept. 2012?

[Alfisti]

Ok, I did another wash with a dry buff. I absolutely agree that it makes a significant difference in clarity. I'm not sure I see a place in my regimen though. I prefer to spritz each panel with a QD rather than dry buffing.

Well at least you can see I'm not making stuff up.

 

[Shawn F.]

My vote goes to Infinite Use Detail Juice 1st then ONR second. The ONR is more cost effective but not by much... I prefer to spend the little bit of extra money and have a better performing product that does a lot more things. Tomorrow I will try the ONR straight as a dressing and see what results I get! I was the biggest ONR fan until I tried IUDJ. I use the new V3 of ONR and will say its better than the V1 and V2 but not a HUGE improvement except the smell and lubricity did change a little. Still as a clay bar lube I do not care for the ONR but do use it as one for backup. For windows it does OK but nothing crazy, I still go to my Megs glass concentrate instead.

I should have some updates tomorrow I hope on the ONR being used straight for tire dressing!

 

[Shawn F.]

Well I tested the ONR for tire dressing today... I have a few pictures but they came out bad and really don't show much. Either way, the ONR doesn't work as tire shine from the results I got... I sprayed it straight with no diluting about 3 times and let it sit 10 minutes between coats. It did darken the tires some and make a clean matte finish but that was it, no shine. The Infinite Use Detail Juice gives a slight shine but not much more than the ONR from what I saw. To me Infinite Use Detail Juice is far too expensive to be shooting on your tires straight up with no diluting. It did the same thing as ONR but with a little more shine. On interiors, leather and such it looks great though! The IUDJ seems to have more lubricity than the ONR and very easy to wipe off without having to go back over and buff like you do with ONR. ONR is a very close second though so I cannot put it down.

 

[danponjican]

Is Optimum releasing a new version of ONR? Saw this picture but haven't found anything about it online.

 

[Legacy]

Is Optimum releasing a new version of ONR? Saw this picture but haven't found anything about it online.

V3 has been out for sometime now...look for the gold label

 

[Garry Dean]

My vote goes to Infinite Use Detail Juice 1st then ONR second. The ONR is more cost effective but not by much... I prefer to spend the little bit of extra money and have a better performing product that does a lot more things. Tomorrow I will try the ONR straight as a dressing and see what results I get! I was the biggest ONR fan until I tried IUDJ. I use the new V3 of ONR and will say its better than the V1 and V2 but not a HUGE improvement except the smell and lubricity did change a little. Still as a clay bar lube I do not care for the ONR but do use it as one for backup. For windows it does OK but nothing crazy, I still go to my Megs glass concentrate instead.

I should have some updates tomorrow I hope on the ONR being used straight for tire dressing!

Please keep in mind, Shawn, that the purpose of IUDJ from the very beginning when we were developing it was to have 1 product that will do EVERYTHING when it comes to general maintenance on regularly up-kept vehicles. It does just that. It is a dressing in concentrate form and when diluted it is a cleanser and lubricant. Youd be hard pressed to find something that IUDJ can't do.



As far as cost goes, its actually quite inexpensive. If a person purchased an 8 oz bottle for the $29.99 retail, they could use 2.5 oz to dilute into a waterless wash, clay lube, glass cleaner, spray wax, detail spray etc, and 5.5 oz to use as a leather conditioner, interior dressing, and/or a tire dressing. Also, keep in mind that it only takes about a quarter of an oz per tire to dress them after they are properly cleaned.



The real value here, in my opinion, is that you only need 1 product to do everything, and do them all very well, instead of a whole shelf of products. It keeps things easy and takes away all confusion.

 

[Nutbread]

Is Optimum releasing a new version of ONR? Saw this picture but haven't found anything about it online.

The green bottle is ONR with carnauba. Scottwax talked about it in another thread. Won't be available til December.

The regular ONR will stay in the lineup.

 

[mystickid]

The green bottle is ONR with carnauba. Scottwax talked about it in another thread. Won't be available til December.

The regular ONR will stay in the lineup.

What about that "White" gallon of ONR? Is it just V3 in a non-clear container? or perhaps a V4 version?

 

[Garry Dean]

What about that "White" gallon of ONR? Is it just V3 in a non-clear container? or perhaps a V4 version?

That is the new bottle. There is no V4 as of yet. I do not believe there is even a v4 in the works. From my understanding v3 was an accident.

 

[imported_Quenga]

That's why you buy things in gallon sizes. Then IUDJ is only $0.25 per gallon of wash water, and only $2.70 per gallon of detail spray.



And consider that using the GDWM, you can get at least 3-4 washes out of 4 gallons of wash water if the bucket is loaded up with towels and sealed with a lid. $0.25 per wash is pretty damn good in my book.



Having said that, yes I do acknowledge that ONR is still a few cents cheaper but at the point where we're splitting only a few pennies, I stop really caring. ONR is a great product too, I just like the performance of IUDJ better.

Per Garry's site it says 1 oz of concentrate for 4 gallons of rinseless:



$159.99 (gal of IUDJ) = $1.24 per oz. 1oz = 4 gallons of wash water, or $.31/gallon of wash water. Where'd you get $0.25?



I haven't seen anything that makes me wanna spend money on IUDJ, that product makes no sense to me. ONR works perfectly and it's cheaper. IUDJ isn't a strong cleaner, so it's not going to replace APC's or Degreasers, and ONR works perfectly as a light cleaner with a microfiber towel. I haven't seen what IUDJ looks like as a dressing, but I can't imagine it being better than something like Hyper Dressing, which is significantly cheaper. I'm not trying to come off as a hater, but I always see the same handful of people promoting this product, with unrealistic claims.







ONR is king and changed the way I detail cars. It actually made detailing profitable for me when doing express jobs. I only use 3 products when doing anything but high-end details (where they pay for the extra products). ONR for washing/light cleaning of anything, OPC of heavy cleaning of anything, HyperDressing for interior, exterior, tires, engines. I see no point in trying anything else and I'm still on v2!!

 

[Garry Dean]

Per Garry's site it says 1 oz of concentrate for 4 gallons of rinseless:



$159.99 (gal of IUDJ) = $1.24 per oz. 1oz = 4 gallons of wash water, or $.31/gallon of wash water. Where'd you get $0.25?



I haven't seen anything that makes me wanna spend money on IUDJ, that product makes no sense to me. ONR works perfectly and it's cheaper. IUDJ isn't a strong cleaner, so it's not going to replace APC's or Degreasers, and ONR works perfectly as a light cleaner with a microfiber towel. I haven't seen what IUDJ looks like as a dressing, but I can't imagine it being better than something like Hyper Dressing, which is significantly cheaper. I'm not trying to come off as a hater, but I always see the same handful of people promoting this product, with unrealistic claims.







ONR is king and changed the way I detail cars. It actually made detailing profitable for me when doing express jobs. I only use 3 products when doing anything but high-end details (where they pay for the extra products). ONR for washing/light cleaning of anything, OPC of heavy cleaning of anything, HyperDressing for interior, exterior, tires, engines. I see no point in trying anything else and I'm still on v2!!

What are these unrealistic claims you speak of?



If onr is working for you, there is no reason to change your routine.



Everyone has their own preference, and opinion, especially with detailing products. Just remember, cheaper is not always better. Since you have never tried the juice, you do not have an opinion based on experience. I can tell you that those same guys who you may see telling everyone about their experience tell everyone about all of their experiences. That is what they do. They share info.



You can never please everyone with everything, but I assure you, if you try Iudj, you would understand why many people love it.



Please also remember that Iudj was formulated with the enthusiast in mind, who wants to simplify their process and cut down on time spent detailing, and their elbo grease level. Confusion is a big problem with enthusiasts. I have solved the issue. 1 product that does it all!



Numbers adjustment... If you use the promo code autopia10 at checkout, that will give you 10% off. That brings the numbers to $144.09 per gallon, $1.13 per oz, .28 cents per gallon of wash water and .14 cents or better per gallon of wash water if you convert to my wash method.

 

[Accumulator]

If onr is working for you, there is no reason to change your routine.

THIS!! :xyxthumbs

... I always see the same handful of people promoting this product, with unrealistic claims. ..

Noting that I'm not a big fan of *any* rinseless/waterless/etc. wash.. in other words, I don't have a dog in this fight (but, well, see below)...when C. Charles Hahn talks, I listen. We don't always agree, but he has complete credibility in my book. And I'm not the most credulous guy on this forum

ONR is king ...I see no point in trying anything [other than ONR] and I'm still on v2!!

I, OTOH, *do* have a reason to consider other such products. Again, I rarely use this kind of product, but when I do I want the best. And my ONR (v2.0) compromises Collinite brand wax, which I just happen to use/like on a vehicle that sometimes needs this approach. While I could just buy the latest version of ONR, I'm interested in hearing about stuff like IUDJ, in part because of the way it might save a step when doing between-conventional-wash wheel/tire cleanups.



Hope I'm not coming across too :argue Last thing I want to do is make this thread more contentious.

 

[C. Charles Hahn]

Per Garry's site it says 1 oz of concentrate for 4 gallons of rinseless:



$159.99 (gal of IUDJ) = $1.24 per oz. 1oz = 4 gallons of wash water, or $.31/gallon of wash water. Where'd you get $0.25?

As Garry noted, the pricing has changed slightly since the time of that posting.

IUDJ isn't a strong cleaner, so it's not going to replace APC's or Degreasers, and ONR works perfectly as a light cleaner with a microfiber towel.

So on one hand, you complain that IUDJ isn't a strong cleaner, but then you say ONR works perfectly as a light cleaner. Am I missing something here? Why the double standard?



No one ever claimed IUDJ to be a replacement for an APC/Degreaser when heavy cleaning is necessary. It is, however, at least as effective as ONR as a light cleaner. I would actually say it's closer in performance to Opti-Clean than ONR in my experience.



For routine maintenance on a vehicle that is well kept, there should be little frequent need for an APC-strength product on most components.

I haven't seen what IUDJ looks like as a dressing, but I can't imagine it being better than something like Hyper Dressing, which is significantly cheaper. I'm not trying to come off as a hater, but I always see the same handful of people promoting this product, with unrealistic claims.

In terms of "looks," no question Hyper Dressing is able to fit a wide variety of tastes from "ghetto bling" to "satin." For a professional detailer who needs to be able to cater to these different requirements having a separate product is always going to be a good idea.

ONR is king and changed the way I detail cars. It actually made detailing profitable for me when doing express jobs. I only use 3 products when doing anything but high-end details (where they pay for the extra products). ONR for washing/light cleaning of anything, OPC of heavy cleaning of anything, HyperDressing for interior, exterior, tires, engines. I see no point in trying anything else and I'm still on v2!!

If your current system is working for you, that's great... nothing wrong with that at all. Garry's is a slightly different system that takes a somewhat different approach for those who may be looking for alternatives.

What are these unrealistic claims you speak of?



If onr is working for you, there is no reason to change your routine.

I'm curious to hear the same... I know I've never made any "unrealistic claims" about IUDJ, at least that I'm aware of.

I can tell you that those same guys who you may see telling everyone about their experience tell everyone about all of their experiences. That is what they do. They share info.

:werd: While I have been given products for free to test on a handful of occasions, I have never once been paid to sponsor or advocate a product. And in the case of IUDJ in particular, I have bought all of it myself out-of-pocket from day one.

Noting that I'm not a big fan of *any* rinseless/waterless/etc. wash.. in other words, I don't have a dog in this fight (but, well, see below)...when C. Charles Hahn talks, I listen. We don't always agree, but he has complete credibility in my book. And I'm not the most credulous guy on this forum

Thank you for the compliment, George! Likewise, yours are always opinions I value.

I, OTOH, *do* have a reason to consider other such products. Again, I rarely use this kind of product, but when I do I want the best. And my ONR (v2.0) compromises Collinite brand wax, which I just happen to use/like on a vehicle that sometimes needs this approach. While I could just buy the latest version of ONR, I'm interested in hearing about stuff like IUDJ, in part because of the way it might save a step when doing between-conventional-wash wheel/tire cleanups.



Hope I'm not coming across too :argue Last thing I want to do is make this thread more contentious.

You're not coming across as contentious at all; you're simply presenting the facts based on your own observations about a product and how it fits into your personal routine, which is really all that any of us can do.

 

[Scottwax]

From my understanding v3 was an accident.

Huh? Haven't heard that one. When I got some v3 to test more than a year ago, I was told by Dave at Optimum is that he is always looking for ways to stay ahead of the competition. I know he had to completely reformulate ONR but I wasn't aware he came up with it by accident?



Regardless, it is definitely an improvement over v2, which improved upon v1, which was better than QEW.