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OK, just to try one more time to convince you guys, I am attaching a few posts by leading members of NOT the detailing industry per say, but those who deal with chemicals and that began in this business before we were born:
Ron from Auto International responding to and agreeing with Bud from Detail Plus.
Bud,
You give good, honest, true advice!
You and I were doing detailing when 90% of those who visit this site were still in grade school or perhaps not even born.
Yes, I was lead down the wrong path many times as I learned the business, what to use, etc and lost my cousin, who used HF in his truck wash business, to the accumlated effects of HF.
He would argue with me, etc, must like Floyd did, that if the user is careful, etc, no problems.
Well, Duke is dead, I had a distributor in Florida a few years ago, nice, smart lady, who started detailing when she was 15. She used a lot of HF, and at age 36 was in advanced stages of ostiaprosis, loss bone, in her legs, arms and back, due to the exporsure.
In the late 80's and early 90's, when I was doing the set up's and training for the AngloAmerican Auction chain, we taught the way to remove water spots from glass, the same as Gary claims to be "exclusive".
We both know, from our years of experience, working with employee's, if a screw up can happen it will.
More than once a month, in each of the 16 locations, an employee would mess up and forget, leave the HF applicator laying on either the paint or the windshield, and there went another couple hundred bucks to replace a windshield or repainting a panel.
Detailers who have not taken chemistry courses or done self study, know very little of the real dangers of many chemical components.
We in the industry, who have spent years of learning, etc attempt to provide true, honest, documented information to the detailing industry, however many times, all we get in return is "I been doing this for 4 to 10 years, etc and know all there is to know, it works for me, so I am right, etc".
As the old saying goes, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink."
This subject is a prime example of that old saying.
Ketch
From Bud,
Researching the issue of Hydroflouric Acid what I find is that chemical manufacturers typically buy a HF solution from manufacturers that is 70% HF and 30% water.
They will then blend 5% HF with Hydrocloric or Muratic Acid and a Surfactant to provide a "wheel cleaner."
This is typically ready to use. At that 5% strength it is still dangerous. It can blind if it gets in eyes; it can damage lung tissue if breathed and it can burn skin if sufficient gets on skin. Cummulatively, it penetrates the skin and goes into bones and does not "leave." Over time it can cause serious damage to bones.
We do a lot of things that seem safe and cause no problems, but when you consider the dangers of the chemical it would seem that a prudent detailer would not use it.
Certainly at the 5% concentration it can damage windows. But the bigger issue is the dangers the chemical has to a person's health.
Regards
Bud Abraham
Ron from Auto International responding to and agreeing with Bud from Detail Plus.
Bud,
You give good, honest, true advice!
You and I were doing detailing when 90% of those who visit this site were still in grade school or perhaps not even born.
Yes, I was lead down the wrong path many times as I learned the business, what to use, etc and lost my cousin, who used HF in his truck wash business, to the accumlated effects of HF.
He would argue with me, etc, must like Floyd did, that if the user is careful, etc, no problems.
Well, Duke is dead, I had a distributor in Florida a few years ago, nice, smart lady, who started detailing when she was 15. She used a lot of HF, and at age 36 was in advanced stages of ostiaprosis, loss bone, in her legs, arms and back, due to the exporsure.
In the late 80's and early 90's, when I was doing the set up's and training for the AngloAmerican Auction chain, we taught the way to remove water spots from glass, the same as Gary claims to be "exclusive".
We both know, from our years of experience, working with employee's, if a screw up can happen it will.
More than once a month, in each of the 16 locations, an employee would mess up and forget, leave the HF applicator laying on either the paint or the windshield, and there went another couple hundred bucks to replace a windshield or repainting a panel.
Detailers who have not taken chemistry courses or done self study, know very little of the real dangers of many chemical components.
We in the industry, who have spent years of learning, etc attempt to provide true, honest, documented information to the detailing industry, however many times, all we get in return is "I been doing this for 4 to 10 years, etc and know all there is to know, it works for me, so I am right, etc".
As the old saying goes, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink."
This subject is a prime example of that old saying.
Ketch
From Bud,
Researching the issue of Hydroflouric Acid what I find is that chemical manufacturers typically buy a HF solution from manufacturers that is 70% HF and 30% water.
They will then blend 5% HF with Hydrocloric or Muratic Acid and a Surfactant to provide a "wheel cleaner."
This is typically ready to use. At that 5% strength it is still dangerous. It can blind if it gets in eyes; it can damage lung tissue if breathed and it can burn skin if sufficient gets on skin. Cummulatively, it penetrates the skin and goes into bones and does not "leave." Over time it can cause serious damage to bones.
We do a lot of things that seem safe and cause no problems, but when you consider the dangers of the chemical it would seem that a prudent detailer would not use it.
Certainly at the 5% concentration it can damage windows. But the bigger issue is the dangers the chemical has to a person's health.
Regards
Bud Abraham
