Duragloss 105 = Klasse Sg

I can see why silicone might be a bad thing before application of Zaino, or before it's done curing, as either might interfere with bonding to the paint and the complete crosslinking of the polymers. I am rather surprised that silicone of any sort (assuming the lack of any strong solvent) would be an issue for cured Zaino.



blkZ28Conv, I don't think any insult was implied or intended in Mike's post, just disagreement (something we can do in a civil manner). This thread has the potential to spin into a flaming wreck, and as a moderator, I'd prefer that not happen. Before anyone gives or takes offense (real or imagined), please take a moment for a deep breath and some calm . . .



Thanks,

Tort
 
Actually Ron Ketchum of Atuoint.com knows what is in Zaino and revealed it ain a forum and I do believe there is silcone in Zaino. Does that mke it a a bad product no used it its great really good results by hand.



but misleading is another thing .



some food for thought ; mongo
 
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Originally Posted by Pennypacker

Both Z5 and Z2 are acrylic sealants even though they're labeled "polishes."







Zaino is not acrylic.

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Zane Oliver







Not to make argument..but more on gathering info..



If zaino is not a acrylic or silicone polymer....which are 2 of the building foundations of sealants or even some spray type sealants...what is the building foundation of Zaino...



If a sealant is a silicone polymer and cures..does it still leech out silicone...not talking about silicone oils used in some glazes and waxes...different animal..but the molecular restructured silicone..which is used in contact lenses..tires...tubing..ect



do the silicone polymers harden to create a hard barrier shell in a sealant ???



is it silicone that creates the slickness feeling of sealants after application?? :nixweiss



This is not intended for any type of product war..more for information...I am not defending any product here by any means..



AL
 
If its not acrylic, or some sort of silicone polymer ,then it must be polyethelene. These are the 3 polymer bases used in car wax . There are many different kinds of silicone polymers.I almost forgot polyureatane and polyester polymers.
 
TigerMike aka MikeLS aka Metallic Mike(banned)



Not sure when or why you changed your philosophy about silicone in Zaino or its effects on Zaino.

Maybe for the same reasons you have changed Name?





MikeLS said:
Looks nice!



I've topped Z with a few pure carnauba products with fairly good results, but IN MY OPINION I prefer the straight Z to the muted and less clear and sharp reflections of the topper coat. The carnauba just seems to muffle and slightly distort the bright optically clear shine that Z was intended for, and that's what I like, the pure Z shine on my car. At least this is what I always noticed when topping. Also, in the long run, I was afraid the heavy solvents, oils, and silicones would begin to break the Z down. The look can be different, if that's what you're after. So, IMHO, the very very slight increase in depth from the top coat just isn't worth it to me. I think if you're looking for a different kind of shine and don't intend on applying more Z often, it may be worth it.



Mike :)
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MikeLS said:
I guess it depends on how you define better. Both are good or great products. The one downside to FF is that it can't layer, each coat removes the previous. One of Zaino's benefits is that it can layer for more gloss and protection. Have you tried layering at least 3 to 5 coats of Zaino then comparing shine qualities? Also, I believe FF is a silicone based polymer, so I believe this is what gives it that "carnauba-like" shine, as many carnaubas rely on silicone for shine as well. (the inference here is that Zaino has no silicone) ... Mike :)
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The question is which Mike do we believe??? :nixweiss



Zaino hasn't change its base formulation or surface prep requirements but Mike's philosophy seems to change with without product he is pushing or vendatta against a product line.
 
For your information, I was never banned. Care to retract that statement? You need to get YOUR facts straight. I persoanlly asked DavidB to suspend my account via email, I was never banned outright. David even had asked me to reconsider me suspending my account. I told him no, go ahead and he did.



And, for your information, knowledge increases as we learn new things, at least for some people. You of all people ought to know about pushing products when you're being fed the party line by Sal. I have noones agenda to push now, how about you? I admit, back in the day, the Zaino koolaid was very powerful and I was pushing the party line (gotta love those freebies, huh?), just like YOU are doing NOW. Maybe one day, you'll learn to ween off of it as well and make up your own mind about things.



How many YEARS ago was that stuff posted by me? Several....I'm not allowed to change my mind about silicones in several years time? Look at you! You were pro-Zaino, anti-Zaino, and now pro-Zaino again over the years. Talk about who to believe.
 
TigerMike said:
... And, for your information, knowledge increases as we learn new things, at least for some people.
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Knowledge is the acquisition of the truth that maintains its validity over time and doesn't change for to meet the discussion of the day.



Passing on misinformation or straight out lies as fact is just plan wrong.
 
blkZ28Conv said:
Knowledge is the acquisition of the truth that maintains its validity over time and doesn't change for to meet the discussion of the day.



Passing on misinformation or straight out lies as fact is just plan wrong.
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Who is lying? Nothing I have said is a lie! Point me to a lie dude. I can point you to one about you saying I was banned. Yes, that is an outright lie. Saying that AW is going to destroy Zaino is also outright rediculous. Do you hear yourself?



And, for your information, who's truth are you referring to? Sal's truth? Because Sal said it, it must be true. That may be your truth, but not mine. So, don't pass his lines to me off as fact. Been there, done that.



You're nothing more than the Zaino shill that I was back then. At least I've moved on...I have nothing to hide by my former username, except the fact that I was as much of a Z shill then as you are now.



You ought to know all about hanging with banned Autopians. I think there is a forum dedicated to it now.
 
I believe Zaino is a Silicone Polymer > as per Ron Ketchum



One thing to consider of course is how the product looks on all different paint color types ; thats where to me Duragloss from what I have seen so far of the 105 falls short for me like . May well wind up going with Meg's 21 and using their 00 Hi-tech car wash the optical brighteners in it would make the clear shine while the 21 darkens the paint good combo maybe use # 34 QD also.



the thing that gets me about the Zaino is going up on the car wash prices little stuff like that among other things.



mongo
 
Don't forget - Previous Knowledge revealed the active ingredients listed on the back labels of both DG 601 & 105 are the SAME as what's listed on Zaino labels http://www.detailcity.org/forums/detailing-product-discussion-misc/19031-ask-sal-why-bother.html Quote:

Originally Posted by Sal

Just to set things straight..



There are NO aliphatic hydrocarbons in ZFX....:



ZFX is very unique and a one of a kind product... of which I am very proud of..

It has no similarities to any product, I have ever tested..



Hope this helps..







Sal, I have a ZFX box and on the back it says

CAUTION: CONTAINS ALIPHATIC HYDROCARBONS. DO NOT TAKE INTERNALLY. KEEP OUT OF THE REACH OF CHILDREN.



Are you saying your label has the wrong ingredients listed? Were you aware of what is on the back of the ZFX box? Something here seems amiss. Can you please clarify?
 
Aren't Alpalitic hydrocans another word for petroleum distalites which is most products or every product.
 
mongo said:
Aren't Alpalitic hydrocans another word for petroleum distalites which is most products or every product.
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Pretty much,

Aliphatic hydrocarbons are major components of everyday materials such as turpentine, gasoline and oil-based paints. It denotes the molecular chain, of the hydrocarbon.
 
RP-350Z said:
Does Aqua wax work on top of Zaino?
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Yes, and after a wash or Z6 wipedown another coat of Z can be applied over it. Z5pro has filling ability which 105 doesn't. As to what exactly is in Zaino I don't know. The latest version is supposedly made up of 4 different polymers. Maybe one of them is eurathane. Sal claims that the Z sealants don't contain siloxanes.
 
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